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Old 03-28-2007, 02:06 PM    (permalink
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As someone who paid close attention, the reason Reggie's YPC went on the rise during the 2nd half is because they abandoned all hope that he would learn to run inside and just let him go on outside runs; leaving Deuce to do all the hard work in the middle.
Did you actually watch any of Bush during the second half of the season or just merely talking out of your ass?
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As someone who paid close attention, the reason Reggie's YPC went on the rise during the 2nd half is because they abandoned all hope that he would learn to run inside and just let him go on outside runs; leaving Deuce to do all the hard work in the middle.
Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Deuce did "all the hard work in the middle" right from the start; his whole career, he has been a between the tackles, downhill runner. Early on, all Reggie would do is try to cut it outside every carry, always looking for the big run, and always getting shut down. He was not patient at all and he pretty much thought he could just outrun everybody the way he did in college. The reason Reggie's YPC rose during the 2nd half of the season is because he became a much, much more patient runner and a tougher runner between the tackles, which made teams respect the fact that he might actually run it straight ahead, which in turn made it much easier for him to break one outside.

"As someone who paid close attention".... ha! Gimmie a F'n break, guy.
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Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Deuce did "all the hard work in the middle" right from the start; his whole career, he has been a between the tackles, downhill runner. Early on, all Reggie would do is try to cut it outside every carry, always looking for the big run, and always getting shut down. He was not patient at all and he pretty much thought he could just outrun everybody the way he did in college. The reason Reggie's YPC rose during the 2nd half of the season is because he became a much, much more patient runner and a tougher runner between the tackles, which made teams respect the fact that he might actually run it straight ahead, which in turn made it much easier for him to break one outside.

"As someone who paid close attention".... ha! Gimmie a F'n break, guy.

You're just being a Saints Homer. Bush didn't learn to be patient. He learned to have plays called for him to try and hit it big. Yes, I watched at the very least the 10-minute game recap on NFL network (where they show you 10 minutes of nothing but plays, skipping commercials and pre-play chatter, etc). And early on, the Saints would give Bush the ball and he'd run up the middle and be stuffed, or stupidly try and run around his blockers. They stopped doing this because it was obvious they needed McAllister for the hard work.
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You're just being a Saints Homer. Bush didn't learn to be patient. He learned to have plays called for him to try and hit it big. Yes, I watched at the very least the 10-minute game recap on NFL network (where they show you 10 minutes of nothing but plays, skipping commercials and pre-play chatter, etc). And early on, the Saints would give Bush the ball and he'd run up the middle and be stuffed, or stupidly try and run around his blockers. They stopped doing this because it was obvious they needed McAllister for the hard work.
Your argument is a joke. Go watch tape of Reggie at the beginning of the year versus Reggie during the last half of the year, because it's obvious that you're just talking out of your ass. He became a more patient runner. He became more willing to run up the middle; in college, he didn't have to run up the middle, he just outran everybody. He adjusted his mindset and adjusted to the NFL game, and that's why he got better. You don't have to be a Saints homer to recognize how much he improved as a rusher.
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Your argument is a joke. Go watch tape of Reggie at the beginning of the year versus Reggie during the last half of the year, because it's obvious that you're just talking out of your ass. He became a more patient runner. He became more willing to run up the middle; in college, he didn't have to run up the middle, he just outran everybody. He adjusted his mindset and adjusted to the NFL game, and that's why he got better. You don't have to be a Saints homer to recognize how much he improved as a rusher.
K, I'll just have to go do that *big thumbs up*
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I remember he got a "good amount" of his yards from gimmicky plays, but still considering him from the beginning to the end, he relized that he cant just speed by everyone, nor can he run over, so he used his agility the most inside with spins and dekes and jumps. I think if he gets a little thicker, like 5-10 pounds, he'll be fine for his career.
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I would hope so. He was the number 2 overall pick after all. But when Lendale gets the carries, I still think he'll be a better pure rusher. He always was the better in between the tackles RB.
wasn't reggie's 1st 100-yard rushing game, against the giants?
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Bush had a few big adjustments to make, and he made them as the season went on. As his talent grew, the coaches were able to deploy him in different ways. I can't wait to see what he does next season, now that he has an offseason to prepare.
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I remember he got a "good amount" of his yards from gimmicky plays, but still considering him from the beginning to the end, he relized that he cant just speed by everyone, nor can he run over, so he used his agility the most inside with spins and dekes and jumps. I think if he gets a little thicker, like 5-10 pounds, he'll be fine for his career.
If he puts on any more weight, he loses his explosiveness, and versatility. I think he is, what he is. A jack of all trades, all purpose weapon, who cannot be quantified as with 'between the tackles' runners, because that isn't fair.
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Tsk tsk @ putting Reggie Bush and Lendale White in the same sentence. Talk about night and day.

I'm glad the Titans screwed up a great thing in Travis Henry, he killed the Colts last season.
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LenDale must sure like to eat, because he seems like he gains 20+ lbs. every time he gets a little time off. I expect them to sign Chris Brown back sometime here soon
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I've been telling people this for over a year now. He's a fat lop. People call him a "power back" because he's big, but, really, he just uses his fat body to fall forward for a few extra yards. He was great in college because he was bigger and faster than everybody. In the NFL, he's going to be Ron Dayne part two: a big soft body who tries to run like a scat back.
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At least he's at the facility working out at the voluntary off-season work out program. And just because he's twenty pounds over wieght, in the middle of the offseason, he's getting knocked on and his work ethic is bad? C'mon guys.

I'm not worried at all. LenDale is a good back. His production in college backs that up, despite playing second fiddle to Reggie Bush. We'll adress depth at the RB position, but the starting spot is LenDale's to lose. He still has a chip on his shoulder, and will garner attention this season.
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cut him..he can go hang out with other guys like Curtis Enis, Maurice Clarett, etc. (BUST)
Why in hell would we do that, he was drafted for ONE reason to be the future.
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Tsk tsk @ putting Reggie Bush and Lendale White in the same sentence. Talk about night and day.

I'm glad the Titans screwed up a great thing in Travis Henry, he killed the Colts last season.
Pacman Jones killed yall at RB also.....Then agin Ron Dayne had a Career days against the Colts also.....;)
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Ha, how did I know that somebody would bring this up?

First of all, Bush got more than twice the carries White got. He actually got nearly 100 more carries. Bush averaged 3.65 YPC on 155 carries. White averaged 4.00 YPC on 61. Big deal. You can't use yards per carry to determine who was the better rusher when there is such a large gap between the number of carries.

Furthermore, everybody knows Reggie struggled, a lot, during the first half of the year. But, as he began to adjust his rushing style, his production on the ground improved mightily. Look at the numbers:

First 8 games of the season:
81 carries, 207 yards, 2.6 YPC, 0 rushing TD

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74 carries, 358 yards, 4.8 YPC, 6 rushing TD


Reggie was better, in all aspects of the game, than LenDale White.
Blocking wise i would take White, but i'm not saying White is better than Bush.
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I wouldn't worry unless he showed up to TC out of shape. Every year Kris Jenkins shows up overweight and everyone makes a big deal out of it in the media and rival fans. Then comes TC and he drops it like water and ends up dominant again come day one.
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Work ethic, to me, is the most important thing anyone player should have. Great players have it; Peyton Manning, Jerry Rice, every single one I can think of. Less talented players have made a career of working harder than their more physically gifted peers, like Zach Thomas. It is always sad to me when a player ruins his career, because he doesn't work hard, and takes it for granted. Hopefully, LenDale will turn it on, but all indications are against it.
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If he can still run he'sa great 3rd down option right now but if the Titans expect him to be the every down back they're nuts. There's not much in FA and they need to address their other needs in the draft.
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this will hurt VY. Travis Henry gone and LenDale White is a fat slob.
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this will hurt VY. Travis Henry gone and LenDale White is a fat slob.
VY helped Henry ALOT last season and the entire running game. I'm not really worried at all if we resign Brown, Brown will be a beast behind this Line (a better version of the Line he ran behind when he was leading the league in rushing till his injury in 2004). Fisher is almost always correct when it comes to talented players, i fell white will be a great back for us in a few season. EG part two, with more speed.
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VY helped Henry ALOT last season and the entire running game. I'm not really worried at all if we resign Brown, Brown will be a beast behind this Line (a better version of the Line he ran behind when he was leading the league in rushing till his injury in 2004). Fisher is almost always correct when it comes to talented players, i fell white will be a great back for us in a few season. EG part two, with more speed.
I'd hardly call Chris Brown a beast
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I'd hardly call Chris Brown a beast
Chris will surprise this season in his 10 carries per game. He didn't win the Football god award for no reason over at IGN...
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Pacman Jones killed yall at RB also.....Then agin Ron Dayne had a Career days against the Colts also.....;)
Bless the Texans' hearts, they derailed the Dayne Train for the Colts by spending an absurd amount of money on Ahman Green. Between the Titans' loss of Henry, the Texans commiting a great deal of their cap to Matt Schaub and Ahman Green, and the Jags naming Byron Leftwich as their starting quarterback, I heart the AFC South.
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He was around 260 in the Rose Bowl and still outshined Reggie Bush.
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In no way was I saying LenDale White is a better player than Reggie Bush. My point was that playing at that weight didn't affect his performance at all.
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