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Old 01-03-2012, 06:15 PM    (permalink
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What front-seven defenders do you see rising as the draft gets closer? Right now I see Claiborne and Kirkpatrick as potential top-10 picks, but very few front-seven defenders look like elite prospects.

Who do you think rises?

Nick Perry and Fletcher Cox are possibilities for me.
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Poe and Shea McCellin.
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Malik Jackson.
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Yeah I think Poe ends up as a Top 15 pick with a real shot at going in the top 10 to a team like the Panthers. Bruce Irvin could very well emerge as the top pass rusher in the draft after Senior Bowl, combine and further film review. Given the lack of edge rushing talent in this draft, it would not surprise me to see Irvin in the top 15 either.
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Devon Still. One of Nick Perry, Melvin Ingram, and Andre Branch maybe. Courtney Upshaw if he's faster than we thought.
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We agree again. I really think this guy is special and will rise after the combine. Great bender around the edge and solid against the run. Just a pure football player.
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Opinions on Jorel Worthy of MSU?

He looks pretty good to me.
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Was never very impressed with Worthy but I understand he has the physical ability to be an impact player.

Also, what about RS-Sophs or less-hyped underclassmen. Sam Montgomery and Barkevious Mingo from LSU? Possible risers should they declare?
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He looks pretty good to me.
He has a good get off but that's it. He can't use his hands or get off blocks to save his life.
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Fletcher Cox has unreal athleticism. We're talking 300 pounds and probably a 4.6 40. He's somewhat raw but has a relentless motor. Has a great first punch and has the strength/hand technique to get off blocks. Plays high at times but that isn't a huge negative as that happens to a lot of young DTs.

At the very least I think he won't pass Denver, but I think he would good to go in the 10-20 range.
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Fletcher Cox has unreal athleticism. We're talking 300 pounds and probably a 4.6 40. He's somewhat raw but has a relentless motor. Has a great first punch and has the strength/hand technique to get off blocks. Plays high at times but that isn't a huge negative as that happens to a lot of young DTs.

At the very least I think he won't pass Denver, but I think he would good to go in the 10-20 range.
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All of mine have pretty much been covered, mostly by gpngc. Perry, Poe, Cox, Mingo, and Montgomery all have potential to be high risers.

Those LSU guys are particularly underexposed. Both of those guys can absolutely go batshit fast off the edge. Especially Mingo. Both of them could use an extra year(Mingo in particular), but I could easily see people glossing over some size/rawness for the speed and athletic ability.
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Cox said that was what he was timed. Which I agree isn't very good evidence but the way he plays doesn't say anything in the contrary and would seem to support he is one fast man.

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I exaggerated a little bit as he probably won't run a flat 4.6 but I think something very close is likely. On tape he has an excellent first step and he seems to be one of the fastest players out there. I've seen him chase down tailbacks with pure speed after he penetrates the backfield.

He's an athletic freak and he has an incredible motor, that isn't very common and it makes me think very highly of him as a prospect.

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If Cox runs 4.6....that's Vernon Davis level freaky. He's defiantly an athletic specimen and a guy who isn't getting enough exposure for it around here, but I have a hard time believing that. At the very least, DT 40's will be must see TV this year for sure haha.
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Cox said that was what he was timed. Which I agree isn't very good evidence but the way he plays doesn't say anything in the contrary and would seem to support he is one fast man.



I exaggerated a little bit as he probably won't run a flat 4.6 but I think something very close is likely. On tape he has an excellent first step and he seems to be one of the fastest players out there. I've seen him chase down tailbacks with pure speed after he penetrates the backfield.
Still, if he runs anything remotely to that, his stock will soar.
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I do think he is massively underrated on these boards. Regardless of if he actually does run a 4.6 or not, his play seems to suggest that he is fast and has a great first step/burst/closing speed. That along with his motor make him a fairly rare prospect. He also has the production this year to back him up.

Kind of hoping he doesn't run a 4.6 just because I don't want his stock to soar. I want the Broncos to take him in the first and I doubt he is there if he does run a 4.6. Here's too continuing to go under the radar..
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I do think he is massively underrated on these boards. Regardless of if he actually does run a 4.6 or not, his play seems to suggest that he is fast and has a great first step/burst/closing speed. That along with his motor make him a fairly rare prospect. He also has the production this year to back him up.

Kind of hoping he doesn't run a 4.6 just because I don't want his stock to soar. I want the Broncos to take him in the first and I doubt he is there if he does run a 4.6. Here's too continuing to go under the radar..
There's a mild buzz about him but he was one of those juniors who came on the radar late so I'll still give it sometime for people to watch more and get a better feel for him. Personally, he's my #2 DT right now only behind Poe.
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He has a ton of upside. I don't think people quite realize that. Maybe it's because you don't hear that as a buzzword about interior defensive linemen that much, but I don't think that's quite gotten through yet. He's quite the player already too, even though he gets by mostly on athletic talent.
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If Sam Montgomery declares I can see him in Buffalo as high as #10th.
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Just did some reading on Fletcher Cox. Seems like a seriously underrated guy right now. Even if that 4.6 turns out to be 4.75, for a 300 lb guy that is very fast, very impressive. I bet he will get into the first round, especially once he participates at the combine and other pre-draft stuff.
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There's a mild buzz about him but he was one of those juniors who came on the radar late so I'll still give it sometime for people to watch more and get a better feel for him. Personally, he's my #2 DT right now only behind Poe.
I like him better than Poe, even if he doesn't have Poe's otherworldly physical dimensions. Both have lots of potential but IMO Cox has done a better job translating that into performance. He's very disruptive and has a nice motor (always key for a big guy). 3-tech in a 4-3 looks like a good destination for him.
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Want to bump this.

Here are my rankings (though in different schemes, different guys may be higher or lower for certain teams):

1) Courtney Upshaw
2) Fletcher Cox
3) Dontari Poe
4) Luke Kuechly
5) Quinton Coples
6) Michael Brockers
7) Melvin Ingram
8) Devon Still
9) Jerel Worthy
10) Nick Perry
11) Whitney Mercilus

Who on this list (and other) is going to shoot up the board a la Aldon Smith?
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