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Old 03-28-2007, 03:31 PM    (permalink
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Graham is pretty good as a redzone threat, also. I always wondered why the Patriots never went to him more often there. Granted they play with a number of TEs, or hybrid FBs in some cases, and have had a strong running game (overall) in the last few years.
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TE's are supposed to be good redzone threats. It's basically part of their job description. Any NFL TE should be a good redzone threat. Graham has the skills to be a second tier starting TE. He is better than what the Pats used him for, and he is also better than what the Broncos will use him for.
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Graham is pretty good as a redzone threat, also. I always wondered why the Patriots never went to him more often there.
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Diehard, kudos on the spite and sarcasm. I like it!
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There go the chances of him becoming a Saint. Not that actually wanted to trade for him anyhow.
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Thanks to njx for correcting me. Edit: The Broncos weren't going to give up 2 contributing players and a 5th rounder for Bly only to let him go elsewhere.
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Since when does talent = importance? Wilson is still quite skilled, enough to be top half of current MLB. However, he is to his defense like Ray Lewis is to Baltimore... that leadership alone makes him vastly important.
exactly. baltimore would be a much worse defense with out his leadership. he pushs players who could be average into the very good category. he makes them give 100% other wise he'll get on them
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If he chooses, I think Ray Lewis will be a tremendous coach in the future.
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I will edit. They gave up 2 contributors/starters and a pick for a player. My mistake.
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I will edit. They gave up 2 contributors/starters and a pick for a player. My mistake.
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They gave up 2 players who were going to be cut and a 5th pick for a player
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I'm sure the Broncos could deal Champ back to the Redskins for the #6 pick, next year's #1, and a conditional nipple from Dan Snyder's wife...
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this upsets me. Dre Bly is 100% about his money. he doesnt care about denver, i am not even sure he cares about football other then the massive pay checks. I am sure he'll be productive here but he could careless about his team. Yet, denver gives him a HUGE contract and then is gonna cut Al wilson, a true bronco.

The only positive i see out of this whole ordeal is DJ is probably gonna be moved to the middle which excites me. as wilson has sayed when DJ wasnt getting much time the past few seasons "He has more talent then any linebacker ive ever seen, but its just not his time yet. and when its his time he'll have the oppurtunity to become one of the greats" or something like that. Having a young DJ on the field every down could be more productive then an ageing wilson. if we pick up a suitable OLB in the draft (rufus alexander, earl everett, or a typical speedy undersized backer later in the draft) wilsons loss isnt as huge. Lynch and champ can take over the leadership roles with DJ being groomed to be the next wilson.
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He was overpaid and they need to keep Wilson and not Bly.
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this upsets me. Dre Bly is 100% about his money. he doesnt care about denver, i am not even sure he cares about football other then the massive pay checks. I am sure he'll be productive here but he could careless about his team. Yet, denver gives him a HUGE contract and then is gonna cut Al wilson, a true bronco.

The only positive i see out of this whole ordeal is DJ is probably gonna be moved to the middle which excites me. as wilson has sayed when DJ wasnt getting much time the past few seasons "He has more talent then any linebacker ive ever seen, but its just not his time yet. and when its his time he'll have the oppurtunity to become one of the greats" or something like that. Having a young DJ on the field every down could be more productive then an ageing wilson. if we pick up a suitable OLB in the draft (rufus alexander, earl everett, or a typical speedy undersized backer later in the draft) wilsons loss isnt as huge. Lynch and champ can take over the leadership roles with DJ being groomed to be the next wilson.
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if we pick up a suitable OLB in the draft (rufus alexander, earl everett, or a typical speedy undersized backer later in the draft) wilsons loss isnt as huge.
We need an undersized LB? No way. We need a strongside backer. DJ should've been a replacement for Gold on the weakside, but instead has spent far too much on the strong side where his talents are not fully utilized. Get someone big, strong and fast who can match up with TE's and take on blockers in the running game. Good blitzing skills would be a nice asset as well.

Anyway, I'm glad the situation with Bly is resolved. Now, if we could only convince Shanny to make improving the pass rush his #1 priority in the draft...
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The only positive i see out of this whole ordeal is DJ is probably gonna be moved to the middle which excites me. as wilson has sayed when DJ wasnt getting much time the past few seasons "He has more talent then any linebacker ive ever seen, but its just not his time yet. and when its his time he'll have the oppurtunity to become one of the greats" or something like that. Having a young DJ on the field every down could be more productive then an ageing wilson. if we pick up a suitable OLB in the draft (rufus alexander, earl everett, or a typical speedy undersized backer later in the draft) wilsons loss isnt as huge. Lynch and champ can take over the leadership roles with DJ being groomed to be the next wilson.
Exactly. You have to look at this side, because it's obvious Wilson was not in the plans for 07, his name was whispered all around the league in trades, he fails a physical and now he will likely be cut. There's nothing we can do but move on and hopefully find another leader for our front-7. I'm confident DJ can play like Wilson, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the personality to act like an Al Wilson. Williams has been a farily quite guy, let's hope he developed some leadership skills under Al.

And as a side note to the draft, I think we need a good coverage backer to replace DJ on the strongside. Maybe Stewart Bradley?
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Boy, and to think I thought he was overpayed in Detroit . . .
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Wow Al Wilson will most likely NOT be traded. Detroit doesnt want him, Giants failed him and Phily traded for Spikes. No one wants Wilson anymore and he wil l probably stay with us. It has also been mentioned(from an unknown teammate) that Big Al wants to stay in Denver.

He will likely start next year but he will have his contract restructured. TRUST ME this will be a big blessing in disguise. He always plays even when he is hurt and he will be great next year too. (We probs will still pick up a LB on the first day to give an insurance policy and future)
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you think wilson would restructure? cause this would be the best case senario we would have one of the best Defences in the league. My guess is hes gonna refuse to restructure and get cut, and then the lions or some other team picks him up.

i cant imagine NO ONE wants al wilson. He can get a job somewhere if realeased.
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I still don't know why they don't let Dominique Foxworth get his chance. Good deal though, but I can't understand why they shell out all this money with Wilson a potential cap casualty in the future.
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