Browns - Matt Flynn or RG3: It's One or the Other - Page 2

Iamcanadian · 03-07-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

It's easy, you go after Flynn. If you don't get him, make the move for RGIII, whatever means necessary.

The trouble is that I haven't heard anybody claim Flynn is a franchise QB, IMO, it is settling for mediocrity. RG111 offers hope that you get a true franchise QB, Flynn will be OK but has little shot at being called a franchise QB.

SolidGold · 03-07-2012, 02:59 PM

I think the intrigue with Flynn is that he was able to put up huge numbers vs NFL defenses. This is just my opinion but Griffin seems to have become some sort of untouchable perfect prospect w/ no flaws. The Newton comparisons are off base as well. Newton is the exception not the rule when it comes to rookie QBs.

zachsaints52 · 03-07-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

I think most people would, but he will also cost you more draft pick wise (though less money wise)

And with 460 Free Agents, why not try and lure someone? Id be fine with giving up a 1st this year, 2nd, and a pick next year. If it gives you the opportunity to get you the player you think is the missing piece, then do it.

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Originally Posted by Brown Leader

Just... no.

Flynn ought to be the last resort for any team needing a potential franchise QB, not at or near the top of the list.

Second.

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

I think the intrigue with Flynn is that he was able to put up huge numbers vs NFL defenses. This is just my opinion but Griffin seems to have become some sort of untouchable perfect prospect w/ no flaws. The Newton comparisons are off base as well. Newton is the exception not the rule when it comes to rookie QBs.

But it was against suspect pass defenses (Lions and iirc Pats?) with the best supporting cast in the league. He kept having to pass the ball on the Lions because Stafford was on fire as well. If the Packers defense was decent, he wouldn't have been close to the records he broke. RG3 will not be like Newton by any means. But he is accurate and mobile, which would help him tremendously going against AFC North opponents.

Wrathman · 03-07-2012, 08:45 PM

Flynn makes the most sense in Miami where he knows the system inside and out. His value diminishes a good deal in my eyes if he lands anywhere else. Cleveland would be better off trading for Mallett than chasing Flynn in my opinion.

keylime_5 · 03-07-2012, 08:56 PM

-Griffin should be first choice defnitely - even if it takes the equivalent of 3 first rounders (#4 + #22 + some second round and midrounder picks?) to get him.

-If they think Flynn can be really good like Tony Romo or Matt Ryan (though not quite truly elite like the Mannings, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Rivers, and Stafford even) then it changes things. sign him and keeping the picks on a team that could really really REALLY use that quantity of top young talent to fill out the roster if they think Flynn is going to be really good. If you think he's just a guy who can win you 9 or 10 games and make you good but not great, then it's not worth it.

Totally hinges upon the Browns opinion of Flynn. With what people have been saying they think about Flynn....I would definitely invest the picks and move up to get Griffin. He's their's if they want him - no one has anything close to what the Browns can offer St.Louis for that #2 pick if they want him badly enough.

armageddon · 03-07-2012, 08:57 PM

As long as Manning doesn't go to Washington, the price for RG3 remains high. It will take both the Browns 1sts plus something in 2013, like a 2nd. Schneider will be the highest bidder imo. He won't lose out on Manning and RG3.

keylime_5 · 03-07-2012, 09:00 PM

I don't know how free agency plays out.....but if the Browns and Redskins are both where they are today at QB come draft day - then the Redskins will have to give up a crazy package to get that Rams pick instead of the Browns. Just think of what they would have to offer to beat out Cleveland giving up #4, #22, #37, and some mid rounders. It would have to be their first and second from this year and next year likely or something similar (iow, something that makes the Eli Manning and Jay Cutler trades look like steals).

vidae · 03-07-2012, 09:45 PM

There is a report out that the Browns are unwilling to give up #22. If that is true, the Redskins are going to have a much easier time moving up.

Wrathman · 03-07-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

There is a report out that the Browns are unwilling to give up #22. If that is true, the Redskins are going to have a much easier time moving up.

I think the Browns are treating it like an eBay auction. There's no point offering too much, too soon as it just drives up the final price.

armageddon · 03-07-2012, 10:03 PM

It's called negotiations. The Browns aren't going to come right out and say, yeah, we will definitely give the Rams both 1sts and maybe a 2nd if that's what they want. They will start low and go from there. The Rams will ask for the moon and they will meet in the middle.

Clarkw267 · 03-08-2012, 04:00 AM

The Browns going after Griffin has nothing to do with him running a fast 40. It has everything to do with the fact that he's a strong armed, accurate passer...who put up outstanding numbers in a BCS conference, and has all the intangibles you look for in a franchise QB.

Like others have said.. what good does it do the Browns for them to say they'll give up #22 now? Of course they are going to say they aren't.

keylime_5 · 03-08-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by vidae

There is a report out that the Browns are unwilling to give up #22. If that is true, the Redskins are going to have a much easier time moving up.

I do believe that is a misconception that is out of context. The report was they weren't offering #22 right now (hence not willing to give it up right now). It's very very early. The bidding war has yet to begin. Lots of things will happen before the draft. No need to make an outstanding offer until we get towards draft day. Wrathman and armageddon are correct.

SRK85 · 03-08-2012, 12:25 PM

Does it matter who ever ends up on the Browns will suck. Cleveland has no one on offensive weapons. The Browns are better off keeping the 4th and 22nd pick and drafting an WR.

twiz · 03-08-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SRK85

Does it matter who ever ends up on the Browns will suck. Cleveland has no one on offensive weapons. The Browns are better off keeping the 4th and 22nd pick and drafting an WR.

Ok, as much as I harp that the Browns need a WR (and they need a #1 WR), there are some weapons. The biggest part of it though really is adding that top receiver. In this draft, it's possible to do that in the top of the 2nd. With Little, Cribbs, Massaquoi, Moore and Watson moving forward, I do like the basis of the team, but they need speed badly. Plus a punishing RB and a RT. I think this year keeping both firsts could end up better in the long run, but if you can get RG3, you get him. Then get a WR in the 2nd and hopefully they can acquire line help in FA so the defense can get some draft help as well.

JoeJoeBrown · 03-08-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SRK85

Does it matter who ever ends up on the Browns will suck. Cleveland has no one on offensive weapons. The Browns are better off keeping the 4th and 22nd pick and drafting an WR.

No one on offensive weapons? Is that a new position class?

keylime_5 · 03-08-2012, 03:16 PM

I think if the Browns get a great QB then the offensive weapons will magically start to show up. We all know that great QBs make the offense around them so much better. How good would those guys on the Saints that Drew Brees is throwing to be if they played for the Browns with Colt McCoy? Evan Moore, Ben Watson, Josh Cribbs, Greg Little, Peyton Hillis, and MoMass aren't that bad. I think if they had Manning or Brees or Brady throwing to them no one would be complaining that much..........plus you can always build around a QB after you draft one. The hard part is finding a great QB, not finding decent weapons so much.

Brodeur · 03-08-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by onejayhawk

Flynn I see as Cassel II. They would be better with Weeden at #22.

J

When you have a chance to draft a guy 2 years older than a free agent with NFL experience, you just have to do it.

armageddon · 03-08-2012, 07:14 PM

I don't know why people say the Browns aren't willing to trade both 1sts for RG3. They wouldn't be trading both 1sts, they would be trading one and swapping one.

WinslowBodden · 03-08-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

It's easy, you go after Flynn. If you don't get him, make the move for RGIII, whatever means necessary.

Probably stated as best as possible.

If the Browns ***** out and don't go for RG3 after missing out on Flynn then the front office is completely inept (I guess unless Redskins offer everything possible for RG3 and we simply cannot match it).

If five years down the road you have an intelligent Mike Vick with better accuracy it was worth whatever the hell you had to give up.

descendency · 03-08-2012, 09:11 PM

Trade down for David DeCastro. Locking up that right guard position for 15 years AND getting premium draft picks is way better than a QB! (yes, /sarcasm)

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

It's easy, you go after Flynn. If you don't get him, make the move for RGIII, whatever means necessary.

Once Flynn and Manning are off the market, the price of the #2 pick is going to go up. They're better off making their play now.

Too lazy to get the other quote, but I'm going with Tannehill in the top 16 picks (not necessarily calling the Jets the floor, just that he goes well before pick 22).

SRK85 · 03-08-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

No one on offensive weapons? Is that a new position class?

My bad I may have been slightly inebriated. Anyways what I meant was, the Browns lack a number 1 WR, and Hillis is on his way out. Trading away a plethora of draft picks for RG3 will not solve their problems. However, if the Browns were able to sign Bowe and keep Hillis then they would be fine. Greg Little could be a good number 2 WR but we shall see. Needless to say the Browns have a lot of holes.

cunningham06 · 03-08-2012, 10:43 PM

I honestly do not get the love for Matt Flynn. The guy has started two games one of which he tore up the Lions secondary. Color me unimpressed.

I love Colt but the Browns should go after RG3. Either him or Blackmon. It would be a waste for them to take Richardson, the rest of that offense is too bad for a running back to carry them to the playoffs.

Mufasa · 03-08-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Once Flynn and Manning are off the market, the price of the #2 pick is going to go up. They're better off making their play now.

Which is why the Rams wouldn't even consider accepting an offer before that is settled.

keylime_5 · 03-08-2012, 11:01 PM

If the Browns sign Flynn I expect them to take Claiborne at 4, not a WR or RB. It would be a better idea to get Griffin even at the expense of those picks b/c of the upside and star power you would get with him at the QB position....but any other year we would be talking about the Browns signing Flynn and keeping those picks as being a homerun for them. If the draft were before free agency like last year then this would be a whole lot easier for them: try to draft RGIII and if you fail then offer a **** ton of cash to Flynn on the open market. It gets a little trickier since a decision has to be made on Plan B before you attack Plan A.

keylime_5 · 03-08-2012, 11:02 PM

I don't think that the value of the #2 pick goes up once those two are off the market. That doesn't make any sense. Fewer teams will need QBs = the value is slightly diminished.......Heck, if the Redskins and/or Browns sign one or both of those QBs then the value of the #2 pick goes waaaaaaaaay down.