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Old 03-10-2012, 09:41 AM    (permalink
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glad that the speculation is over, now the Vikings just have to not screw it up by passing on Kalil.

Those mother ******* are going to screw this up some how, i just know it.
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Agreed. And it is a better trade than what the Raiders gave up for the 30 year old disgruntled Carson Palmer. The Raiders still keep the "I got raped in the trade" trophy.


Carson Palmer for a first and a second or Griffin for two first and a second? Touch choice...

That just brings this trade into perspective.
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The best part is this "should" stop the local KC radio from talking about RG3 to KC.
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Browns fans I was with last night wanted to cry when they heard this. They have no faith in getting Manning or Flynn to that city.

Huge risk for the Redskins, but I think it's worth it. If he turns out to be their franchise QB he's definitely worth it, and makes the NFC East just that much more fun.
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What if he doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB? I'm still surprised there seems to be so much certainty that RGIII will be great. It just always worries me when QBs fly up the boards like he did. Rarely do those guys ever end up being the goods. Was anyone talking about RGIII before the season began.
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Holy crap Snyder. You definitly have balls to pull out a trade like this.
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Did the Skins get raped? Yeah. Is RGIII worth getting raped? Yeah. I like the deal for both teams. Garcon/Colston/VJax about to cash in.
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Annnnnd the NFC East arms race continues. Phase 1 of the arms race is complete, RGIII is a Redskin.

I can't wait, we'll see Mario Williams/Brandon Carr on the Cowboys, RGIII/Vincent Jackson/Manningham/Finnegan on the Redskins, Curtis Lofton/Randy Moss on the Eagles....


Aaaaaaand, the Giants big offseason move is going to be a longterm contract with our punter.

Typical NFC East offseason.

If I see you complain about the Offseason Super Bowl one more time after your recent successes, I'm going to slap you. It's not fair.
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I agree. You sound spoiled BBD. :)
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I like this move! Franchise QBs are a premium, if you have a chance to get one, then ante up and go all in! That's what they did and I think it's a very ballsy move. I like that. Now having said that, I hope he is an epic failure and bust for DC.
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What if he doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB? I'm still surprised there seems to be so much certainty that RGIII will be great. It just always worries me when QBs fly up the boards like he did. Rarely do those guys ever end up being the goods. Was anyone talking about RGIII before the season began.
Again, what if he doesnt bust? The Redskins are a Superbowl contender every year. It is well worth the risk.
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Again, what if he doesnt bust? The Redskins are a Superbowl contender every year. It is well worth the risk.
To me it just smells of desperation and despair. I would also be worried that it seems like only the Browns and Redskins were fighting over him. It's like two starving homeless people fighting for a scrap of food. I have one friends who is a huge Redskins fan and he didn't want Manning because he said they need so much more than a QB. Well if that's the case, the Skins just screwed themselves over.
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Please stop saying the Redskins only gave up 2 firsts. It makes you seem like you don't know how to count.

They gave up 4 picks. They got 1 pick back.

When the Bears traded for Cutler, they gave up 3 picks and 1 player, and got 1 pick and 1 player back. The things they got back doesn't mean they gave less. It just means they got stuff back. I mean, jesus....
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Again, what if he doesnt bust? The Redskins are a Superbowl contender every year. It is well worth the risk.
Der....what? Lots of teams have great quarterbacks and aren't Superbowl contenders, unless you're counting like, half the league in that category.
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Please stop saying the Redskins only gave up 2 firsts. It makes you seem like you don't know how to count.

They gave up 4 picks. They got 1 pick back.

When the Bears traded for Cutler, they gave up 3 picks and 1 player, and got 1 pick and 1 player back. The things they got back doesn't mean they gave less. It just means they got stuff back. I mean, jesus....
The Redskins gave up 3 first round picks and got 1 in return.

3 -1 = 2 if im not mistaken.
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The Redskins gave up 3 first round picks and got 1 in return.

3 -1 = 2 if im not mistaken.
Uh huh....so they gave up 3 first round picks. It's in your own ******* example.

If I give you three apples and you give me one, I don't give you two apples; I give you three mother ******* apples. I net lose two apples. It's not the same thing.
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Der....what? Lots of teams have great quarterbacks and aren't Superbowl contenders, unless you're counting like, half the league in that category.
Which teams have elite quarterbacks and arent superbowl contenders?

Rodgers -yes
Brees - yes
Brady - yes
Mannning - yes
Manning - yes
Stafford - yes
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Uh huh....so they gave up 3 first round picks. It's in your own ******* example.
So they lost 2 first round picks.

They could give up 11 first round picks but it wouldnt make a difference. Its what you get in return that defines how good the trade was.
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Which teams have elite quarterbacks and arent superbowl contenders?

Rodgers -yes
Brees - yes
Brady - yes
Mannning - yes
Manning - yes
Stafford - yes
Ok fair enough. If you think he'll be a top 7 quarterback.
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I'm curious to see what the Browns were potentially offering. Because there basically was some sort of precedent set with Eli's trade and this was way over value, for what seems like a lesser prospect at the time.
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It's not fair to compare this to the Eli trade because the top picks have way more value now because the contracts aren't as outrageous.
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So they lost 2 first round picks.

They could give up 11 first round picks but it wouldnt make a difference. Its what you get in return that defines who good the trade was.
I....WHAT?!?!?

A trade isn't about what you lose. It's a swap. It's a comparison of relative value. You can't just act like one of those picks doesn't exist. The Redskins had the chance to draft 4 players with high picks, and traded all four of those chances to draft 1 player. If that 1 player is better than all 4 of those collectively, it's a good trade. If he's not, they gave up too much.

But that's the only way to look at this. You can't act like if they didn't make the trade, they wouldn't have also had a chance to draft someone else.
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It's not fair to compare this to the Eli trade because the top picks have way more value now because the contracts aren't as outrageous.
I don't think that's really the case for a QB. Teams never really tried to get out of #1 with a QB on the board. It was always guys in 3-5 trying to trade down. Regardless moving up from 4 to 1 is suppose to be greater value than 6 to 2.

But the main difference would be if the Browns were a serious bidder. No one else was really trying to trade up for Eli.
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Carson Palmer for a first and a second or Griffin for two first and a second? Touch choice...

That just brings this trade into perspective.
Perfect example (which is wrong).

The Raiders gave up 2 picks and got one player back in return.

The Redskins gave up 4 picks and got one pick in return.

By your example, it seems like the Redskins only gave up 3 picks. Which is wrong.

How the **** is this so hard to understand.......
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I don't wanna jinx anything but uhhh what if sometime after the deal is made official by the league RG3 tears and ACL or suffers some other injury that puts him out for the year ? What do you do then Washington ?
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