Redskins & Rams Agree To Trade For #2 - Page 8

bearsfan_51 · 03-10-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

So theres not another 6'5 WR who runs a sub 4.5 40 with leaping ability who has had 3 1000 yard seasons on the market?

You're comparing Vincent Jackson to Calvin Johnson?

Yeah....

Anyway, if any of you think the Lions are contenders without Calvin Johnson you're crazy. The fact that iamcanadian disagrees with me only confirms that I'm right. That guy is clinically insane.

Iamcanadian · 03-10-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Meh, not really. Classifying a QB as elite implies he's at least top 5 (more likely top 3 in my eyes). Would you put Stafford top 3-5 range already?

Yes, and he is only going to get better. 40 TD's in his first full year of playing. He really has it all.

Rabscuttle · 03-10-2012, 11:04 AM

You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

TitleTown088 · 03-10-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Yes, and he is only going to get better. 40 TD's in his first full year of playing. He really has it all.

Oh, that is a fact?

I'll make the argument that he's only going to get hurt, and I'd have more evidence to support my position than you do. ;)

bearsfan_51 · 03-10-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabscuttle

You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

Sure, but this operates under the assumption that RGIII will be Brees and Rodgers good. That's my whole point. When you break down the number of QBs who can have an elite offense without an elite WR, you're basically left with 4-5 guys. Stafford is not in that class.

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabscuttle

You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

^^^^^^^

Jennings - 2nd
Nelson - 2nd
Cobb - 2nd
Driver - 7th
Jones - 3rd

Best group of receivers right there.

OSUGiants17 · 03-10-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Yes, and he is only going to get better. 40 TD's in his first full year of playing. He really has it all.

Time to make a bold statement, Stafford-Calvin will break Brady-Moss' record of 50-23 TDs respectively before they finish their careers.

zachsaints52 · 03-10-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

You're comparing Vincent Jackson to Calvin Johnson?

Yeah....

Anyway, if any of you think the Lions are contenders without Calvin Johnson you're crazy. The fact that iamcanadian disagrees with me only confirms that I'm right. That guy is clinically insane.

Statistically- Yes. Size- Yes Both run sub 4.4s- Yes Is there going to be another Calvin Johnson- Not for awhile

Am I wrong by comparing them from the three things I just said- No.

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Originally Posted by Rabscuttle

You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

Good theology.

bearsfan_51 · 03-10-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

^^^^^^^

Jennings - 2nd
Nelson - 2nd
Cobb - 2nd
Driver - 7th
Jones - 3rd

Best group of receivers right there.

So you're going to fill the rest of your roster with 4th-7th round picks?

TitleTown088 · 03-10-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabscuttle

You might not find Calvin Johnson in the second to seventh rounds, but you can find most of the guys Brees and Rodgers have been using.

2nd-3rd is more appropriate

Greg jennings, 2nd round
James Jones, 3rd round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd round
Randall Cobb, 2nd round
Jermichael Finley, 3rd round

Robert Macheam, 1st round
Jimmy Graham, 3rd round.
Devery Henderson, 2nd round round

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

So you're going to fill the rest of your roster with 4th-7th round picks?

They already have a lot of young talent. Helu, Trent Williams, Hankerson, Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo. Its not like this team has no talent. Basically the only thing they were missing was a QB.

OSUGiants17 · 03-10-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

They already have a lot of young talent. Helu, Trent Williams, Hankerson, Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo. Its not like this team has no talent. Basically the only thing they were missing was a QB.

And they have to money to bring in V-Jax or Colston and maybe more. Their D has a real solid front 7, all they need is some WRs and DBs.

Iamcanadian · 03-10-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Oh, that is a fact?

I'll make the argument that he's only going to get hurt, and I'd have more evidence to support my position than you do. ;)

Really hard to argue with a person who can tell th future, you must be a really rich bird with all that knowledge.

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17

And they have to money to bring in V-Jax or Colston and maybe more. Their D has a real solid front 7, all they need is some WRs and DBs.

Exactly!

Say the Redskins bring in Vincent Jackson and Brandon Carr. Even with Griffin only in his rookie year this team would be capable of making the playoffs. Then when Griffin grows they'll be even better.

Iamcanadian · 03-10-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

They already have a lot of young talent. Helu, Trent Williams, Hankerson, Robinson, Kerrigan, Orakpo. Its not like this team has no talent. Basically the only thing they were missing was a QB.

Solid point, Browns fan here who hates the Redskins for obvious reasons but you are right on, Washington is now on the cusp to be a real contender for the Super Bowl within 3 years as Griffin develops.

SolidGold · 03-10-2012, 11:21 AM

Griffin will now be held to a higher standard than Luck. The Redskins sold the farm to get this guy and are banking everything on a rookie QB to develop quickly.

zachsaints52 · 03-10-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17

And they have to money to bring in V-Jax or Colston and maybe more. Their D has a real solid front 7, all they need is some WRs and DBs.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

2nd-3rd is more appropriate

Greg jennings, 2nd round
James Jones, 3rd round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd round
Randall Cobb, 2nd round
Jermichael Finley, 3rd round

Robert Macheam, 1st round
Jimmy Graham, 3rd round.
Devery Henderson, 2nd round round

Colston- 7th rounder

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

Griffin will now be held to a higher standard than Luck. The Redskins sold the farm to get this guy and are banking everything on a rookie QB to develop quickly.

Higher standard then the team releasing the face of the franchise to get you?

SolidGold · 03-10-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Exactly.

Colston- 7th rounder

Higher standard then the team releasing the face of the franchise to get you?

Yup...the Skins sold the farm for Griffin. They should be expected to compete right away with a rookie QB at the helm. Indy is in full rebuilding mode so Luck will not have nearly the pressure Griffin will face in DC.

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:28 AM

Both of them will be expected to perform, no doubt. But IMO Luck will have more pressure on him.

He's seen as the better quarterback so he needs to perform like the better quarterback.

TitleTown088 · 03-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Colston- 7th rounder

Yes... So that's 1 (two if you count Driver who really doesn't produce anymore). The Saints and Packers WRs are heavily skewed toward the higher round picks, and that was the point.

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Yes... So that's 1 (two if you count Driver who really doesn't produce anymore). The Saints and Packers WRs are heavily skewed toward the higher round picks, and that was the point.

He's 37 years old...

Iamcanadian · 03-10-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Both of them will be expected to perform, no doubt. But IMO Luck will have more pressure on him.

He's seen as the better quarterback so he needs to perform like the better quarterback.

Pretty hard to do with no OL, no WR's and no TE plus zero on defense. He'll be far more concerned with surviving physically from possible injuries than worrying about the pressure to win.

Rabscuttle · 03-10-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Sure, but this operates under the assumption that RGIII will be Brees and Rodgers good. That's my whole point. When you break down the number of QBs who can have an elite offense without an elite WR, you're basically left with 4-5 guys. Stafford is not in that class.

Well, that's the gamble that the Redskins are taking isn't it? Either Griffin or Luck being that good. They couldn't stand pat and probably had little chance of bringing in Flynn or Manning. The Rat is pretty good with quarterbacks that have talent to work with and I don't believe you have to have great receivers to have a great offense. Guys that make the right reads, get some separation, and catch the damn ball do wonders. First downs and Red Zone production do wonders.

diabsoule · 03-10-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

2nd-3rd is more appropriate

Greg jennings, 2nd round
James Jones, 3rd round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd round
Randall Cobb, 2nd round
Jermichael Finley, 3rd round

Robert Macheam, 1st round
Jimmy Graham, 3rd round.
Devery Henderson, 2nd round round

Marques Colston - 7th rd
Lance Moore - UDFA
Pierre Thomas (RB, I know) - UDFA

zachsaints52 · 03-10-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Yes... So that's 1 (two if you count Driver who really doesn't produce anymore). The Saints and Packers WRs are heavily skewed toward the higher round picks, and that was the point.

Our leading WR's the past 4ish years were Colston and Moore.... Colston 7th rounder and Moore UDFA.