Redskins & Rams Agree To Trade For #2 - Page 9

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Pretty hard to do with no OL, no WR's and no TE plus zero on defense. He'll be far more concerned with surviving physically from possible injuries than worrying about the pressure to win.

People wont see it that way though.

The Redskins gave up that much picks becasue they wanted Griffin but if Luck was available im sure they would pick him over Grifin.

There might be more immediate pressure on Griffin but over time if Luck is seen as the second best QB from this class he wont be seen as a complete success.

Griffin is expected to be the second best QB from this class.

SolidGold · 03-10-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Both of them will be expected to perform, no doubt. But IMO Luck will have more pressure on him.

He's seen as the better quarterback so he needs to perform like the better quarterback.

Have to disagree... Luck will have pressure on him as he gets further along in his career but the Colts have indicated they are in complete rebuilding mode and that will give Luck some time.

The Redskins on the other hand are gambling that Griffin can come in and make an instant impact to get them to the playoffs in year one. They gave up two first rounders and a 2nd rounder for Griffin. The Skins are in win now mode so they need to go crazy in free agency, they do have some pieces in place but need some o-line help and a WR or two as well as secondary help.

TitleTown088 · 03-10-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Our leading WR's the past 4ish years were Colston and Moore.... Colston 7th rounder and Moore UDFA.

This is rather obvious. However, the point remains that that is two ( 3 counting) late round picks vs 8 high picks on those two teams. Its not like they're scrubs.

NY+Giants=NYG · 03-10-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Exactly.

Colston- 7th rounder

Higher standard then the team releasing the face of the franchise to get you?

Why not? The Colts play in indy while the redskins play in a big media market in a division where there are very good QBs. So yeah I think he will be held to a higher standard playing in DC than Luck in Indy.

Rabscuttle · 03-10-2012, 11:44 AM

Something I should have emphasized more is the Redskins' need to get more value in free agency. That swing for the fences approach can work when a team is close but won't work if catastrophic defencies are being ignored.

I'm not familiar with the Redskins' position coaches, but they are key to get more out of the guys they have if they aren't having premium talent dropped in their laps.

Iamcanadian · 03-10-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

People wont see it that way though.

The Redskins gave up that much picks becasue they wanted Griffin but if Luck was available im sure they would pick him over Grifin.

There might be more immediate pressure on Griffin but over time if Luck is seen as the second best QB from this class he wont be seen as a complete success.

Griffin is expected to be the second best QB from this class.

Pretty well everybody on NFL Network said Griffin would end up on a far better team than Luck and you add in the cost of acquriing him and Griffin will have zero excuses for not succeeding. He will be under immense pressure to succeed while Indy, out there in the hicks will hardly be noticed esecially playing for a terrible team.

zachsaints52 · 03-10-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

Have to disagree... Luck will have pressure on him as he gets further along in his career but the Colts have indicated they are in complete rebuilding mode and that will give Luck some time.

The Redskins on the other hand are gambling that Griffin can come in and make an instant impact to get them to the playoffs in year one. They gave up two first rounders and a 2nd rounder for Griffin. The Skins are in win now mode so they need to go crazy in free agency, they do have some pieces in place but need some o-line help and a WR or two as well as secondary help.

Very good points.

If you ask them, im sure it would be different though. Id rather be drafted from using 3 first round picks then trying to replace Peyton Manning.

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

This is rather obvious. However, the point remains that that is two ( 3 counting) late round picks vs 8 high picks on those two teams. Its not like they're scrubs.

Not saying they are, Im just stating the fact our two best WRs was 7th and UDFA.

SuperPacker · 03-10-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Pretty well everybody on NFL Network said Griffin would end up on a far better team than Luck and you add in the cost of acquriing him and Griffin will have zero excuses for not succeeding. He will be under immense pressure to succeed while Indy, out there in the hicks will hardly be noticed esecially playing for a terrible team.

So...

Luck will be picked first therefore the Colts will want him to be better than Robert Griffin, if he isn't he will have a **** load of pressure on him and people will be saying the Colts should of picked Griffin. Also he has to follow Peyton Manning which is no easy task.

zachsaints52 · 03-10-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

Pretty well everybody on NFL Network said Griffin would end up on a far better team than Luck and you add in the cost of acquriing him and Griffin will have zero excuses for not succeeding. He will be under immense pressure to succeed while Indy, out there in the hicks will hardly be noticed esecially playing for a terrible team.

Well when you go to the team with the worse record in the NFL, of course the 2nd QB will go to a better team...

NorrinRadd12 · 03-28-2012, 12:41 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-sam-bradford/

Assuming they could have gotten the #4 overall pick for Bradford... RGIII to Blackmon for the next 10 years would have been ridiculous. I think the Rams blew a golden opportunity.

rockio42 · 03-28-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NorrinRadd12

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-sam-bradford/

Assuming they could have gotten the #4 overall pick for Bradford... RGIII to Blackmon for the next 10 years would have been ridiculous. I think the Rams blew a golden opportunity.

Bradford to Blackmon sounds just as good to me.

tjsunstein · 03-28-2012, 03:40 PM

I would have pulled that trigger.

SuperPacker · 03-28-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rockio42

Bradford to Blackmon sounds just as good to me.

RG3 > Bradford, everyday of the week!

tjsunstein · 03-28-2012, 03:56 PM

A top 5 pick for Bradford would have been robbery.

49erNation85 · 03-28-2012, 05:03 PM

Just watch the Colts take Griffin instead and down fall the draft.

Monomach · 03-28-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rockio42

Bradford to Blackmon sounds just as good to me.

I've been saying it for three years, and it's still early enough in his career for me to look like a crazy person, but Sam Bradford is just not going to be a quality NFL quarterback.

Rosebud · 03-28-2012, 05:09 PM

Sam Bradford >= RGIII
Sam Bradford + 2 first round picks + 1 2nd round pick >>>>>>> RGIII

Let's not get too caught up in our new shiny thing.

Borat · 04-19-2012, 03:51 PM

Cool story bro.

2 Live Crew · 09-10-2012, 09:45 AM

Bump. Condolences to Browns fans.

LonghornsLegend · 09-10-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Sam Bradford + 2 first round picks + 1 2nd round pick >>>>>>> RGIII

This isn't an overreaction but I'd easily give up Bradford + those picks for RGIII. What good are a bunch of picks when you don't have a QB? It'll be 2014 and we'll all still be making excuses for why Sam Bradford hasn't done a single thing in his career and knowing the Rams they'll draft a few more Tackles who don't amount to anything.

keylime_5 · 09-10-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 2 Live Crew

Bump. Condolences to Browns fans.

:/ well we tried. i think.

Rosebud · 09-10-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

This isn't an overreaction but I'd easily give up Bradford + those picks for RGIII. What good are a bunch of picks when you don't have a QB? It'll be 2014 and we'll all still be making excuses for why Sam Bradford hasn't done a single thing in his career and knowing the Rams they'll draft a few more Tackles who don't amount to anything.

It's been one game. I still think Bradford will be as good as RG3, if not better. Although if he gets a few more new OCs over the next few years that may not come ot pass.

LonghornsLegend · 09-10-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

It's been one game. I still think Bradford will be as good as RG3, if not better. Although if he gets a few more new OCs over the next few years that may not come ot pass.

I said that before the draft, and in regards to Bradford it hasn't been one game. It's been a re-occuring theme of average play sprinkled in with a solid game a few times a year, and everytime it's a terrible performance it's everybody else's fault but his. Maybe in 2017 when the Rams get 5 lineman, two legit WR's, an elite pass catching TE, a competent OC and a top 10 defense though, Bradford will really show people!

D-Unit · 09-10-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

It's been one game. I still think Bradford will be as good as RG3, if not better. Although if he gets a few more new OCs over the next few years that may not come ot pass.

I don't think Bradford will ever be as good as RG3.

bearsfan_51 · 09-10-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

I don't think Bradford will ever be as good as RG3.

No, but Bradford + all those draft picks might be. It was never a question of Bradford vs. RGIII and people should stop looking at it like that.