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Old 03-23-2012, 11:53 AM    (permalink
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so it makes sense how it happened the way it did......BUT the Rams still turned down a better offer and shut off the bidding instead of milking that pick for all they could get. They told every team to give their best offer and they didn't give anyone a chance to make a better one - that's not how you get top value in a trade. Why didn't they call other teams to try and match the Redskins' offer? The trade was made several days before free agency. It doesn't make sense. Not great communication/aggressiveness on the Browns part, no, but still the Rams could've gotten more and left better picks on the table.
Because perhaps there is a shred of decency left in some human beings. Also like the article says he wanted it done at his set deadline. To do that and then go back on it and take the Cleveland offer or someone else's would look really bad on their part. I'm sure teams would be turned off to doing business again with them. I'd bet anything the story of them not holding to their word would have leaked to the media as well. Sure it's not conventional how it was done but it was clever. This way they get their picks and not have to drag the process out where who knows what would have happened. STL had no idea what Washington or Cleveland was doing behind closed doors. For all they know they could have has a trade for Brady waiting in the wings. Then STL would be screwed out of anything.
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what doesn't make sense is why set a deadline so far before free agency starts? why not try to get more at the last minute before you agree to any deal? ST.Louis should've saw Washington's offer and then went to the Browns and said "okay, this is what the Redskins are offering, can you top it?" That is getting maximum value for your pick. They didn't do that and they left a better deal on the table.
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what doesn't make sense is why set a deadline so far before free agency starts? why not try to get more at the last minute before you agree to any deal? ST.Louis should've saw Washington's offer and then went to the Browns and said "okay, this is what the Redskins are offering, can you top it?" That is getting maximum value for your pick. They didn't do that and they left a better deal on the table.
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The Rams might have gotten more by telling the Browns what Washington's offer was, but Snead had promised each side he wouldn't play one bid against another but rather simply ask for each team's best offer. Once Washington's offer was better than Cleveland's, the deal was done.
"What happened,'' said one team executive involved in the talks, "was everyone wanted to get the deal done before free agency, to make sure they filled a chair with a quarterback they really wanted during musical chairs. That really helped the Rams.''

The Rams might have gotten more by telling the Browns what Washington's offer was, but Snead had promised each side he wouldn't play one bid against another but rather simply ask for each team's best offer. Once Washington's offer was better than Cleveland's, the deal was done.
"What happened,'' said one team executive involved in the talks, "was everyone wanted to get the deal done before free agency, to make sure they filled a chair with a quarterback they really wanted during musical chairs. That really helped the Rams.''



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My point is simple: The Redskins knew the rules of the game -- that they'd have to blow St. Louis out of the water with one of the best trade offers in NFL history. They did. No team had ever bid three first-round picks for a draft choice before, and Washington threw in a second-rounder as well.
Looks like Snead got max value for the pick. And had he gone back on his word to take the best offer from each team by telling the Redskins he was re-opening the game, both teams would know they could never trust Snead in a trade again, and that reputation would spread.
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Snead's a *****. How do you not play teams against each other?
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yeah, he is a total *****. I'd be like WTF if I were a Rams fan (but not really, b/c they still got a **** ton of picks regardless). I still don't see what the point in not trying to get a better offer is. Doesn't make sense at all.
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The way the Rams did business was very, very smart. They knew that they had multiple teams interested in the pick. And set a deadline before FA, so that they wouldn't get caught holding the bag, if those teams filled their QB need through FA.

Also, it would have been bad business to go back and take other offers after they closed the bidding. Working relationships with other GMs are vital to getting things done. You don't want to be burning bridges that you may need later on.

Getting the deal done early like they did, also gives them more time to plan what to do with the picks they have, and gets them started earlier on any other deals they want to make on or before draft day, such as trading down from #6.
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you don't get it. I can understand closing the bidding before free agency.......but why they didn't try to use other offers to drive up the price doesn't make sense. they shouldn't have told the Redskins that they won the bidding so soon, they could've gotten more if they weren't stupid.
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I have no problem with what Snead did he was clear with the teams, and he stuck to his word. He set a deadline and to avoid keep going back and forth with the bids he instructed the teams to give up thier best offer. Either the Browns underestimated Daniel Snyder, or they overestimated the worth of their picks this year. But in the end had they just given up their very best offer in the first place the may have gotten RG3.
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you don't get it. I can understand closing the bidding before free agency.......but why they didn't try to use other offers to drive up the price doesn't make sense. they shouldn't have told the Redskins that they won the bidding so soon, they could've gotten more if they weren't stupid.
You are missing the point. Snead told them he wouldn't play one bid against the other. If he had done what you had suggested other GMs would know he can't be trusted, as per what King said. This was his first big deal as Rams GM - he could scuttle future deals if other GMs don't trust him after this. He acted honorably and did not go back on his word.
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You are missing the point. Snead told them he wouldn't play one bid against the other. If he had done what you had suggested other GMs would know he can't be trusted, as per what King said. This was his first big deal as Rams GM - he could scuttle future deals if other GMs don't trust him after this. He acted honorably and did not go back on his word.
I am not missing anything. I know what he did, I can read. I have no problem with him keeping his word.......BUT - he should never had told the Redskins that they won the deal in the first place - if he was smart he would've tried to get the best possible offer before closing the bidding.

It's like in any auction -when the auctioneer says "going once, going twice" before selling an item. You give the other suitors a chance to offer a better price before you close the deal. It's common sense.
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I am not missing anything. I know what he did, I can read. I have no problem with him keeping his word.......BUT - he should never had told the Redskins that they won the deal in the first place - if he was smart he would've tried to get the best possible offer before closing the bidding.

It's like in any auction -when the auctioneer says "going once, going twice" before selling an item. You give the other suitors a chance to offer a better price before you close the deal. It's common sense.
What you're saying is that Snead should not have told anyone that he wouldn't play bids/teams against each other. Fair enough, but he had a deadline (for his own reasons) and trying to top bids might have gone past it. Again, if word got out that he screwed X team he might have trouble making deals in the future with other GMs.
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Using your auction reference, have you ever seen how silent auctions work? What Snead did was a silent auction. You offer the best you can, and if it's enough, great, if not too bad. It would have been very disloyal and douchey of him to claim it to be silent bidding, then turn it into a free for all. Yes that ultimately benefits the Rams the most, but you'd piss off two NFL front offices and GMs aren't really in the business of burning bridges. I commend the way he handled it.
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yeah, that's what I am saying. Even with a deadline he could have still gotten a better offer if he was smart and told teams he would let them up their bidding before picking a winner.
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yeah, that's what I am saying. Even with a deadline he could have still gotten a better offer if he was smart and told teams he would let them up their bidding before picking a winner.
Might get him a better deal now but it may piss off the GMs involved who may be reluctant to deal with him in the future.
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Using your auction reference, have you ever seen how silent auctions work? What Snead did was a silent auction. You offer the best you can, and if it's enough, great, if not too bad. It would have been very disloyal and douchey of him to claim it to be silent bidding, then turn it into a free for all. Yes that ultimately benefits the Rams the most, but you'd piss off two NFL front offices and GMs aren't really in the business of burning bridges. I commend the way he handled it.
Yes, I know it was a silent auction, but that is my whole point. Why the **** did he use that technique when he could have gotten more in an open auction for the #2 pick? There is nothing shady or douchy about giving a team a chance to match an offer before closing the bidding.
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Might get him a better deal now but it may piss off the GMs involved who may be reluctant to deal with him in the future.
Like I said, I don't see how letting teams have a bidding war is shady or makes him different than any other team. It's in the best interest of the Rams to try and get the best offer possible. It's not like he'd be breaking any unwritten laws. It's a common business strategy, I'm sure they do it in the league elsewhere.
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Guess it's just a difference of opinion in that area. To me it is kinda douchey to pit teams against each other to drive the price up. It's the same reason owners and GMs despise agents. Is it wrong, or illegal? Of course not, but it is kind of a dick move. Agents don't care because they work for themselves and their players. GMs have to constantly be dealing with other FOs, i think it would have tarnished his reputation a slight bit.
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Jeff Fisher is BFFs with Shanny. That is why he accepted the deal. And Yes Fisher has more power with the Rams than the Ram GM does.
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I am not missing anything. I know what he did, I can read. I have no problem with him keeping his word.......BUT - he should never had told the Redskins that they won the deal in the first place - if he was smart he would've tried to get the best possible offer before closing the bidding.

It's like in any auction -when the auctioneer says "going once, going twice" before selling an item. You give the other suitors a chance to offer a better price before you close the deal. It's common sense.
Not a blind auction....which this seemed to be like.
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Guess it's just a difference of opinion in that area. To me it is kinda douchey to pit teams against each other to drive the price up. It's the same reason owners and GMs despise agents. Is it wrong, or illegal? Of course not, but it is kind of a dick move. Agents don't care because they work for themselves and their players. GMs have to constantly be dealing with other FOs, i think it would have tarnished his reputation a slight bit.
Agreed. To me it was a win/win for St. Louis. Get a record haul for the pick and have your GM develop a reputation as a fair guy to deal with. That might be worth more than squeezing one more pick and ticking off the losing GM.
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I am not missing anything. I know what he did, I can read. I have no problem with him keeping his word.......BUT - he should never had told the Redskins that they won the deal in the first place - if he was smart he would've tried to get the best possible offer before closing the bidding.

It's like in any auction -when the auctioneer says "going once, going twice" before selling an item. You give the other suitors a chance to offer a better price before you close the deal. It's common sense.
So you're saying he should've lied, and continued to take bids even after the bidding was "closed"... no thanks.

I already laid out why this was smart on the Rams' part. And getting an extra 4th round pick isn't worth being labeled as a POS by your counterparts in the league.
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NO, I'm saying he should have never said that the bidding was closed. He should have told them the deadline was that day, give him offers and then used them against one another until one team wouldn't offer anymore. There would be no lying involved and the price would've been maximized that way.
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Jeff Fisher is BFFs with Shanny. That is why he accepted the deal. And Yes Fisher has more power with the Rams than the Ram GM does.
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End of story.
I bet Shanny was discussing the parameters of trading for the Rams 2nd pick before any other suitors were involved.
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It blows my mind that people are getting on a GM who got 3 first round picks, including the 6th overall this year, and a second round pick, for not getting enough. That's a massive offer he did well to get. Squeezing a marginally better offer by establishing a sneaky rep isn't something you ***** about a guy doing.
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NO, I'm saying he should have never said that the bidding was closed. He should have told them the deadline was that day, give him offers and then used them against one another until one team wouldn't offer anymore. There would be no lying involved and the price would've been maximized that way.
Yeah and if one team hears that the other dropped out of the bidding they could drop their offer back down. Like I was saying, it would be very short sighted to try and squeeze one extra pick from a GM for this one trade. You may need to deal with that GM in the future.
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