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Old 03-11-2012, 11:03 AM    (permalink
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Why in gods name would ANY team draft Weeden in the top three rounds? I wouldn't draft him at all personally but some team I could see reaching in the 4th. He is Chris Weinke except not good. Weinke at least won a heisman, national championship, and had an undefeated season. wtf has Weeden done?
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Because NFL starting QB's are in such short supply that is you have a chance to get one, even if he is overaged, you take it. Believe me this guy is way better then Chris Weinke.
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How the hell is he so much better than Chris Weinke..... Big-12 QB's suck *** in the NFL. Much less one that's going to be 30 years old when he sees defense being played for the first time..
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He is a far better prospect than Weinke ever dreamed of being, he's a 1st round talent who just happens to be way too old to go that high. However with his added maturity, he should be able to adjust much quicker to the NFL than some 20 year old and provide excellent backup possibilities with even a chance to start at some point even if his career will be short.
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Weinke was overrated. He had a successful college career but he never really looked like a great pro prospect. He was an older guy who got to play with a bunch of NFL talent at Florida State. Weeden actually has a live arm and good mechanics and seems like a guy who would be a first round pick if he looked like he does now at age 22. He showed the ability to pickup offenses easily at the senior bowl (albeit watered down ones, but still, a version of an NFL offense instead of that simple spread he ran in college). I would take a chance on him in round 2 or 3 to step in and start for at least 6 or 7 years or so.
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He reminds me of Kevin Kolb. Take that as you will.

I think his age is less a detriment as people think. Most guys people assume to be "franchise" quarterbacks for a decade end up having a nice prime of 2-3 years with a lot of erratic play bookending those years.

The problem with him is that he's not as far along mechanically as you'd hope for a player his age. On the flip side, those mechanical issues also suggest he's not "maxed out" in terms of arm strength or anything.

Put like this....his ceiling is higher and his floor is lower than his age and experience would lead you to believe.
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Weinke was overrated. He had a successful college career but he never really looked like a great pro prospect. He was an older guy who got to play with a bunch of NFL talent at Florida State. Weeden actually has a live arm and good mechanics and seems like a guy who would be a first round pick if he looked like he does now at age 22. He showed the ability to pickup offenses easily at the senior bowl (albeit watered down ones, but still, a version of an NFL offense instead of that simple spread he ran in college). I would take a chance on him in round 2 or 3 to step in and start for at least 6 or 7 years or so.
I would never put "good mechanics" and "Weeden" in the same sentence. He throws like a pitcher, and it causes a lot of erratic ball placement and negates what could be a pretty live arm.
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How the hell is he so much better than Chris Weinke..... Big-12 QB's suck *** in the NFL. Much less one that's going to be 30 years old when he sees defense being played for the first time..
I wouldn't say they suck ass...the starting QBs from Big 12 schools this year were on awful teams.

Bradford (Oklahoma) - Kids was great as a rookie, had ankle issues in his 2nd year. Give him some better offensive weapons and he will be a very solid starter.

Freeman (Kansas St.) - Amazing second season in the league, led multiple comebacks and became a legit QB, third year was a lost cause, stats look bad, but I think alot of that has to do with the Bucs team quitting 4 games into the season.

Gabbert (Missouri) - Eye-popping stats no. I think they need to give him some time and some other offensive weapons besides MJD. Very average rookie year, but he was transitioning from spread offense at Missouri to pro-style Jacksonville. Jury is still out on him.

McCoy (Texas) - I know Browns fans don't like him. I like him, but I don't think he is an NFL starter. He has done a solid job with what Cleveland has surrounded him with, which he should be commended for, but I think his height and lack of arm strenght will always hold him back. Or the fact that James Harrison tried to decapitate him.

So we have some very solid QBs in Bradford and Freeman, an unknown in Gabbert, and a fringe starter in McCoy.

So to say that all Big 12 Qbs sucks is a very broad statement.
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Nice post devinhester, To say they suck isn't really fair by any means. I know many people, myself included, think Freeman is the best QB from his class (Stafford, Sanchez). But he's been on a very poor team with no surrounding talent, Freeman could put up awesome numbers with Megatron, but that's not the cards he was given
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Weeden has excellent mechanics and the only thing holding him back is his age. I think if a team like the Jets takes him round 3 to push Sanchez that would be perfect for him.
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The trouble with drafting Weedon is that he has had shoulder problems which drove him out of baseball. How many hits can he take as a pro before those shoulder concerns spread to his ability to throw a football. A lot of his mechanics are screwed up because he has adjusted a bit to protect his shoulder, so they may not be correctable.
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If a team has an aging QB and wants someone that can sit a year or two and take over then Weeden would be a great choice, I think teams that are still looking for that franchise QB wouldn't be wise for drafting him because they'd need to wait 2-3 years for his development and building the team around him.
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The trouble with drafting Weedon is that he has had shoulder problems which drove him out of baseball. How many hits can he take as a pro before those shoulder concerns spread to his ability to throw a football. A lot of his mechanics are screwed up because he has adjusted a bit to protect his shoulder, so they may not be correctable.

I agree with your thought process but disagree with the overall statement. It's my understanding the main problem with Weeden, and most pitchers is the labrum and rotator cuff. While having a rotator problem somewhat effects the way you throw a football, it is not what solely controls it like a baseball.

I had a pretty serious rotator cuff problem, and couldn't throw a baseball, and had trouble raising by arm to take my shirt off, however I could still throw a football because the way you throw isn't really determined by the rotator cuff.

Personally, I haven't researched Weeden's injury but I know the most common injuries associated with baseball is labrum and rotator cuff.
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I agree with your thought process but disagree with the overall statement. It's my understanding the main problem with Weeden, and most pitchers is the labrum and rotator cuff. While having a rotator problem somewhat effects the way you throw a football, it is not what solely controls it like a baseball.

I had a pretty serious rotator cuff problem, and couldn't throw a baseball, and had trouble raising by arm to take my shirt off, however I could still throw a football because the way you throw isn't really determined by the rotator cuff.

Personally, I haven't researched Weeden's injury but I know the most common injuries associated with baseball is labrum and rotator cuff.
I think you are right on about the injury being the labrun and rotator cuff, and it hasn't been a hindrance in throwing the football, although it could be affecting his mechanics somewhat, nothing crucial but it might explain some of his problems.
However, it has to be a concern from a football standpoint. Can he take the punishment with an already damaged shoulder. QB's get punished in pro football at a great rate, will his shoulder be able to take the punishment or are the odds greater in his case, that the shoulder could give out?
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I'd rank him about the same as Patrick Witt from Yale. Weeden having the higher floor but Witt having a much higher ceiling.

Sorry I like Weeden as a person, hell I loved Weinke as a person, but when you are being drafted in what should be the prime if your playing career it's an uphill battle. Weeden I think at best is a developmental backup.
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Weeden has excellent mechanics and the only thing holding him back is his age. I think if a team like the Jets takes him round 3 to push Sanchez that would be perfect for him.
No way. We have needs at OLB, WR, OT, S, I would be pissed if NYJ took a QB in the early rounds.

I like what McElroy showed anyhow. Jets will sign a FA QB and have Sanchez/FA/McElroy as the 3 QBs.
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Weeden has excellent mechanics and the only thing holding him back is his age. I think if a team like the Jets takes him round 3 to push Sanchez that would be perfect for him.
If the Jets wanted to push Sanchez they wouldn't have given him that insane contract. He is 100% guaranteed the starting job for at least 3 more years now after getting that.
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This. Dude's throwing motion is just...off. He can send Justin Blackmon a thank you card once he gets drafted in the Top 3 rounds, because he made him a ton of money.
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If the Jets wanted to push Sanchez they wouldn't have given him that insane contract. He is 100% guaranteed the starting job for at least 3 more years now after getting that.
His contract guarantees him as the starter going into the season, but he's not guaranteed the job over the course of the season or the season after that. Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel both received big contracts and their teams are already rumored to be looking at other options in both FA and the draft. I would not be surprised at all if the Jets took a QB in rounds 2 or 3.
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This. Dude's throwing motion is just...off. He can send Justin Blackmon a thank you card once he gets drafted in the Top 3 rounds, because he made him a ton of money.
Like I said, he throws like a baseball player. His front leg is stiff, he raises his back leg which throws him off balance, and he brings the ball really far back behind his head (causing erratic release points), and he gets no trunk rotation (so his throws are all arm like Ryan Fitzpatrick).

Not to mention, he had a ton of space to work with in the pocket. Didn't deal with a lot of pressure, but when he did, he had a bad tendency to drift and throw off his back foot.

That's a lot to work on for someone who will turn 29 during the season.
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His contract guarantees him as the starter going into the season, but he's not guaranteed the job over the course of the season or the season after that. Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel both received big contracts and their teams are already rumored to be looking at other options in both FA and the draft. I would not be surprised at all if the Jets took a QB in rounds 2 or 3.
Completely different situation than those two. Kolb and Cassel were given big contracts before even playing a down for that team. Sanchez has played 3 full seasons with the Jets, and they just decided that he's their QB going forward. If the Jets still intend to look for a replacement for him after that contract then they are run by a bunch of morons. Sanchez still had 2 years remaining before signing the extension. They didn't have to give him a new contract. The Cardinals and Chiefs didn't really have a choice, they had to pay Kolb and Cassel when they traded for them. The Jets could have let Sanchez play out his final two years and then move on, but instead they chose to give him big money now. Sanchez is definitely guaranteed the starter all of this year, and all of next season, and probably even the season after that.
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The question is not why should anyone draft him. The question is why would you hesitate? I can see you knocking him back, but not more than about 20 picks. If he was 24 years old, the question would be whether Cleveland should take him at #4 or sign Flynn.

Back in the last part of the round, teams have established QB1s that he would not replace, but I fully expect one of them to draft him or trade with a team that will.

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I would never put "good mechanics" and "Weeden" in the same sentence. He throws like a pitcher, and it causes a lot of erratic ball placement and negates what could be a pretty live arm.
he has a weird motion, but like Philip Rivers it won't effect his game. I don't think he needs to tweak his release or his footwork that much. He needs to learn to speed of the pro game, and while he may be unconventional mechanically, he'll be fine.
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