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i'm pretty sure pat bowlen would've traded 5,000 john elways to have made the same amount last year as he did prior to goodell. last year, sunday night football ads were up 24% from two years ago. numbers like that are worth FAR more to the owners.

i have no idea why this argument keeps being made. it's completely non-sensical in every single way. three seconds of rational thought is really all it takes.
It seems that maybe you missed my point. I was referring to the amount of money that Peyton Manning has brought to the Colts over the last 13 years. And wins. And playoffs. Super Bowls. A spot on the map. You don't get that without players.
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Owners make money of off the television ratings. The actual team they own is only a tiny percentage of their overall profit.

Owners make money off of the stadium and the tv ratings. They only want to own teams so they can have the stadium and tv ratings. They want the stadium bc they can host events and make money all year around, on a stadium that is often made with YOUR money.

This is what fans don't understand. The business model is ridiculously favorable to owners. They could give 2 ***** about their team. Owning a team allows them to profit off of a stadium that they barely invest any of their own money in, make ridiculous amounts of money off that stadium that they barely invested in, and make sick money off of TV ratings that their team gets them.

The actual team itself doesn't mean ****. It's like a toy for them. The business side of it is all about the stadium and TV ratings. Why do you think they always want new stadiums?
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I totally get that the dollars come in from the TV contracts. But no one is handing over bazillions of dollars to watch Roger Goodell give press conferences. It's like Exxon getting a huge contract to fuel the military and then claiming that the oil is meaningless. The oil is the product that created the contract.
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Goodell has taken steps to enhance the marketability of the product though. Scoring has gone up under his ship, they market anything and everything NFL related now hardcore under Goodell, he's made more games available to the public before him, he's squeezed as much tv ratings out of the draft as he could by making it 3 days during prime time, he's taken measures to prevent lawsuits against the owners with his "safety" crap, he's changed the rookie wage scale, he's cleaned up some of the off the field issues with his suspensions, I can go on and on.

I don't like the guy, but he's a very proactive commisioner and he knows how to maximize profits. The league and it's marketability has changed a ton under him, for better or for worse.

But one thing is undeniable, the man gets the owners more money than any commish before him, and the owners love him bc of that.
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Goodell has taken steps to enhance the marketability of the product though. Scoring has gone up under his ship, they market anything and everything NFL related now hardcore under Goodell, he's made more games available to the public before him, he's squeezed as much tv ratings out of the draft as he could by making it 3 days during prime time, he's taken measures to prevent lawsuits against the owners with his "safety" crap, he's changed the rookie wage scale, he's cleaned up some of the off the field issues with his suspensions, I can go on and on.

I don't like the guy, but he's a very proactive commisioner and he knows how to maximize profits. The league and it's marketability has changed a ton under him, for better or for worse.

But one thing is undeniable, the man gets the owners more money than any commish before him, and the owners love him bc of that.
I have to agree with you on those things. The game is definitely worth more today than it ever has been, and he has been instrumental in making it that way.

That being said, I think the players hate him and he has taken a lot of the fun out of the game for them. They resent him sticking his nose into every aspect of their lives and I have to wonder if, at some point, they will turn on him.
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I have to agree with you on those things. The game is definitely worth more today than it ever has been, and he has been instrumental in making it that way.

That being said, I think the players hate him and he has taken a lot of the fun out of the game for them. They resent him sticking his nose into every aspect of their lives and I have to wonder if, at some point, they will turn on him.
He doesn't care. The players are irrelevant. The owners pay his salary and decide if they want to keep him or not. He works for the owners, not the players.
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The NFL is a bullet-proof cash cow. I think it's overstating thing to suggest that somehow Goodell made the league more profitable than it would have been under any new Commish.

The new TV deal, where the NFL receives the bulk of its revenue, was going to re-negotiated anyway, hard for even an amateur to mess that up.

It's so typical of NFL ownership that in an uncapped year, they had a 'secret' salary cap of $123 mil with penalties attached for exceeding it.

The biggest thugs in the NFL are sitting in the owner's box.
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The NFL is a bullet-proof cash cow. I think it's overstating thing to suggest that somehow Goodell made the league more profitable than it would have been under any new Commish.
Not really overstating...he really did all that...along with making the game kind of annoying to watch sometimes.
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Every time the new TV deal is negotiated, the total revenue package is bigger.
You think a random NFL commish would not be able to negotiate the NFL's TV deal?

Ratings for the NFL are either static or slightly increasing, depending on whether you're looking at national or regional numbers.

I just don't buy that Goodell has been this incredible CFO for the NFL and has this uncanny ability to grow the revenue pie, other than his knack for screwing over the NFLPA.
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Notice how no modern NFL Commish has ever been fired. Because the job is really hard to screw up.
Since 1960, the NFL has had only three commissioners; Rozelle, Tagliabue, and Goodell.
IBM, for instance, has had six CEOs since 1973. Let's not pretend running the NFL is like being the head of Lockheed Martin.

The NFL is a monopoly and they have no competition in their chosen market, professional football.

The NCAA is their minor league and it costs the NFL nothing to develop personnel before they get to the pros.

NFL fans are fiercely loyal and most are fans for life.
Ask anyone who owns a business how hard is it to be successful with those kinds of competitive advantages built in from the beginning??

Rational thought suggests Goodell could easily be replaced and the revenue stream for the NFL wouldn't feel the change in upper management at all.
Goodell serves at the pleasure of the league's 32 owners and for the most part he's rubber stamp.

To assume he's operating independently from his de facto 'board of directors' with his only mission being to grow the product lacks a fundamental understanding of who the NFL commissioner is.

Every move Goodell makes goes through the owners first.
IMO he's a replaceable part, not a gifted captain of industry.


The NFL owners are like someone who buys a McDonalds franchise located a block away from a college campus, except there are no other fastfood restaurants for 500 miles. And Goodell is the manager of that Micky Ds.

You have to be more than stupid to mess than up.lol
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Not to interrupt a good debate, but I just tuned into the NFLPA v. NFL collusion stuff and apparently the CBA contains this gem:

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“The NFLPA on behalf of itself, its members, and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, representatives, agents, successors and assigns, releases and covenants not to sue, or to support financially or administratively, or voluntarily provide testimony of any kind, including by declaration or affidavit in, any suit or proceeding (including any Special Master proceeding brought pursuant to the White SSA and/or the Prior Agreement) against the NFL or any NFL Club or any NFL Affiliate with respect to any antitrust or other claim asserted in White v. NFL or Brady v. NFL, including, without limitation . . . collusion with respect to any League Year prior to 2011.”
So the NFLPA is run by a bunch of geniuses who signed away their rights to sue, and then they almost immediately decided to sue.

What is this I don't even...
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That's crazy that the NFLPA would sign such a crap-loaded contract.
Demorris Smith might need to update his resume.
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To be fair. it only has to do with antitrust cases associated with the two claims mentioned. Nothing to do with the current case made by the Cowboys/Skins against the League(although it hasn't gotten that far.)

I read that as they can sue for Antitrust assuming it doesn't have anything to do with the White/Brady v NFL cases.
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If I'm reading it right, it applies to any collusion with respect to any League Year prior to 2011. In this case, the collusion took place during the 2010 League Year.
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If I'm reading it right, it applies to any collusion with respect to any League Year prior to 2011. In this case, the collusion took place during the 2010 League Year.
My understanding though is that there is a stipulation that reads any collusion that was known or should have been known. I anticipate that the nflpa will argue that they are just know learning of the collusion.
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