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Old 03-14-2012, 11:12 PM    (permalink
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Default Rumor Alert! CLE #6 & STL #4?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=8808052

Highly speculative rumor at this point, but makes sense for both parties.

STL would then assuredly be able to land Blackmon to give Bradford a weapon and CLE would then have the picks to reach on Tannehill in top 10 while still having 4 premium picks to grab some top players on the boards to put on both sides of ball.

Anyone else heard about this? Any merit?
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=8808052

Highly speculative rumor at this point, but makes sense for both parties.

STL would then assuredly be able to land Blackmon to give Bradford a weapon and CLE would then have the picks to reach on Tannehill in top 10 while still having 4 premium picks to grab some top players on the boards to put on both sides of ball.

Anyone else heard about this? Any merit?
That seems awfully dumb of the Rams unless they're getting later picks and future picks as part of the package. But I wouldn't put it past the Rams to do something dumb because they've established some credibility in the dumb move department.

Meanwhile, the Browns would be ******** to turn something like that down.
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I could see maybe giving up one of those 2nd round picks.......but the fact that the rumor is #6, #33, AND #39 makes it totally unbelievable and unplausible.
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LOL WTF this is the dumbest rumor I've ever heard. If the Rams wanted the #4 selection they would of traded with Cleveland to begin with.

Why would they trade down to #6 and then use some of those picks they got to trade back up? It doesn't make any sense. Blackmon isn't even worth it.
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That would be absolutely ******** by the Rams. Blackmon isn't even THAT special. Giving up two high 2nd rounders would be an awful trade. Those guys could turn into pro-bowlers for all they know, and at the very worst if they pick guys who should be selected in that range should become quality starters.

Giving away two potential quality starters to move up two spots for Justin Blackmon? If that deal goes down the NFL needs to investigate to see if the Browns have a Jedi using mind tricks or something. That's a horrendous deal for the Rams.
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Sounds bogus to me. The OP at that link says ESPN Cleveland reported it, but I don't see anything about it on their timeline or their website.

I like Blackmon, and I'd like to see him as a Ram, but to say it makes sense to trade two high second-round picks to move up two spots to take him is ridiculous IMO.
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It's typical dream trades that get passed as "Rumors" here in Cleveland around thius time every year. We are all hoping that somehow a Team will give us a deal that makes no sense from their side. Nothing to see here...carry on people!
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Actually, this rumor is plausible because Cleveland would be accused of highway robbery for taking all those picks, then will waste #6 on Tannehill. Yep. Sounds about right to me.
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I'm more convinced that the Browns need to get Trent Richardson at 4 and hope a WR like Floyd or Kendall Wright is their at 22. It seems they are going to have McCoy/Wallace and a rookie QB with McCoy being the starter. Richardson plays a position that as a rookie can make an instant impact.
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Nothing is going to save the franchise, they haven't the guts to get the job done so why would anything change now.
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Nothing is going to save the franchise, they haven't the guts to get the job done so why would anything chance now.
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The Rams could get that pick for #6 and their third, and maybe still get a fifth back out of it. Unless it goes to a bidding war, thats the best Cleveland can hope for. The Rams aren't moving up from #20-something, they're moving up two spots.
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Crazy. Decent chance Michael Floyd turns out to be just as good a pro as Blackmon. No need to mortgage the farm to move up and get a wr.
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Would also work with Rams getting both firsts (4 and 22) and the Browns getting 6, 33, and 39. Rams made a steal for #2. They're not going to hand it back for two spots.
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Decent chance Michael Floyd turns out to be just as good a pro as Blackmon.
Michael floyd is at best a #2 WR. At worst he's an injury prone bust.
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Would also work with Rams getting both firsts (4 and 22) and the Browns getting 6, 33, and 39. Rams made a steal for #2. They're not going to hand it back for two spots.
Cleveland actually might be willing to trade back, they have done so for the last 2 drafts, however they seem to feel they get more value trading further back and taking their chances on mid to later round 1 picks, if they can get enough.

I don't know why people think the Rams got a steal for the #2 pick. Two firsts and a second with the 2 firsts a year or 2 down the road isn't all that great if you want to win now and if they had their sights set on Blackmon.
The other first is just a swap of positions with the Rams giving up 4 places.
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I think a Cleveland and Jacksonville deal is more likely, Jags can get Blackmon/Claiborne and Cleveland will end up with either Trent Richardson or Ryan Tannehill
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I'm more convinced that the Browns need to get Trent Richardson at 4 and hope a WR like Floyd or Kendall Wright is their at 22. It seems they are going to have McCoy/Wallace and a rookie QB with McCoy being the starter. Richardson plays a position that as a rookie can make an instant impact.
If I were the Browns I'd hold off on a back until the 2nd or 3rd. Value is much greater. Wilson or Miller at 37 are probably pro bowl quality backs.......and getting Claiborne and Wright/Floyd in the first fill more premium positions. If depends on if the Browns value tailbacks like Holmgren did with Shaun Alexander in Seattle or Heckert with Westbrook (mid rounder) and McCoy (late 2nd rounder) in Philly. Heckert does the drafting, not Holmgren.
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LOL WTF this is the dumbest rumor I've ever heard. If the Rams wanted the #4 selection they would of traded with Cleveland to begin with.
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Cleveland actually might be willing to trade back, they have done so for the last 2 drafts, however they seem to feel they get more value trading further back and taking their chances on mid to later round 1 picks, if they can get enough.

I don't know why people think the Rams got a steal for the #2 pick. Two firsts and a second with the 2 firsts a year or 2 down the road isn't all that great if you want to win now and if they had their sights set on Blackmon.
The other first is just a swap of positions with the Rams giving up 4 places.
The Rams need a major overhaul. I don't think anyone there has grandiose illusions of winning now and becoming a perennial contender overnight. Kroenke said he wants to build a team that contends every year, not a one hit wonder. I think those two future picks from Washington end up being top 10-top 15 selections. That's why it was a better deal than what Cleveland was offering. I think that Griffin would have improved Cleveland more in the next two seasons that he will Washington.
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the flaw with the Rams trade down scenarios is it counts on the Rams picking well. Which they don't. They took Jason Smith at 2 for cripes sakes. THe more picks this team accumulates, the better they will be? Not necessarily. if they stayed high and took RG3 or Kalil at least they were getting a blue chip player. the consensus is these guys have all pro ability. The draft gets harder the further from 1 you get.

It's like in poker the strong players want to see a flop, the weak players want to get all in before the flop. STL is not a strong drafting team historically, which is why they are picking 2 overall. yes in theory they could accumulate all these picks and find all sorts of steals but they aren't Jimmy Johnson and Cowboys. In practice the more picks they get the more opportunities they have to screw up picks.
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the flaw with the Rams trade down scenarios is it counts on the Rams picking well. Which they don't. They took Jason Smith at 2 for cripes sakes. THe more picks this team accumulates, the better they will be? Not necessarily. if they stayed high and took RG3 or Kalil at least they were getting a blue chip player. the consensus is these guys have all pro ability. The draft gets harder the further from 1 you get.

It's like in poker the strong players want to see a flop, the weak players want to get all in before the flop. STL is not a strong drafting team historically, which is why they are picking 2 overall. yes in theory they could accumulate all these picks and find all sorts of steals but they aren't Jimmy Johnson and Cowboys. In practice the more picks they get the more opportunities they have to screw up picks.
I have been reading a lot of stuff like this on these boards lately. What people aren't taking into account is the fact that the Rams have a whole new front office, coaching staff, everything is new. Les Snead is well regarded for his scouting ability, and Jeff Fisher knows a player when he sees one. Georgia's secretary isn't making the calls anymore.
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What kind of rumors are we latching onto when this stuff sticks? Two early 2nd rounders to move up two spots from 6 to 4? That's a type of move you make to get a franchise QB, when you have holes all over the place you don't give away two premium starters more then likely to take a WR that is probably going to be there to begin with.


Plus STL would have just traded with Cleveland in the first damn place not Washington. This isn't Madden. They had a deal with Cleveland to get a bunch of picks and be sitting at pick 4, obviously they passed on it, so they aren't going to give up 2 high 2nd rounders after the fact.


This makes absolutely zero sense.
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Not a huge fan of this really at all.

I like Blackmon, but I don't see him as this can't miss prospect.

If for some crazy reason the Vikes pass on Kalil, the fourth pick could become valuable and it should be pretty obvious that LT isn't the Browns biggest need, although Kalil and Thomas as bookends is kind of epic.

If anything if I where both teams, I would want to trade back even further in a Falcons type trade.

The Rams' glut of picks if used wisely can create a pretty awesome team around a hopefully healthy Bradford. Trading up for Blackmon unless they are 110% sold on him is a step backward not forward. Trading into the middle of the first and picking up Floyd and picks seems obvious to me to be the optimal situation, although we know that there usually isn't that magical trade down available.
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After getting three first I think that giving up a pair of seconds isn't that bad. But who is going to take Blackmon before 6 other than the Browns?
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