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Old 03-18-2012, 05:24 PM    (permalink
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Flynn can play. Great signing by Seattle. Kevin Kolb was overpaid so in reality Flynn's price point is about right.

You don't pay someone else's backup to come start for your team and give him franchise QB money.

Tool wise, he's Romo. Probably not as elusive outside the pocket but physically very similar players.

I don't know if Flynn will ever be a top 10 QB, but he's good enough to win double digit games in the NFL.

NFCW is going to be a very competitive division to watch and I don't think it's close to a lock that SF wins it.
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If Tannehill is available at their pick I wouldn't let Flynn keep me from bringing him in. Hope for a Brees/Rivers scenario in which case you franchise a proven Matt Flynn and trade him, otherwise you've at least got one QB.

EDIT: Just wanted to make sure people were clear I'm not saying that I expect Flynn to become one of the best QBs in the NFL at any point in his career, but Brees has continually improved from the moment Rivers stepped foot in San Diego, at that time the word bust was getting thrown around with him, but he turned it around while the high upside rookie got brought along slowly and polished extensively. So there's no real downside to it unless both players bust colossally and you're starting Tavaris Jackson in 4 years, but if that happens there's no way you'll still have you're job, so it'll be someone-else's problem.
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As long as Peyton Manning doesn't sign with San Francisco, this Seattle roster has the talent to win the NFC West.

On paper, they don't have any glaring weaknesses, but that's assuming Flynn wasn't just a product of Green Bay's extremely QB-friendly system. Whatever the case, he'll have a running game to lean on. He has to be an upgrade over T-Jack.

And defensively, the Seahawks added Jason Jones this week to a top-10 unit.

The roster is shaping up nicely. And now they can use pick #12 on Kuechly, DeCastro, or a pass rusher.
I like how you're thinking cowboy.

I just noticed this signing (darn family get togethers) and couldnt be happier.

On a somewhat unrelated topic where does Ryan tannehill land now. The list of suitors seem to be drying up especially if Alex Smith ends up in Miami. Maybe Cleveland trades down a bit and jumps on him.
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I like how you're thinking cowboy.

I just noticed this signing (darn family get togethers) and couldnt be happier.

On a somewhat unrelated topic where does Ryan tannehill land now. The list of suitors seem to be drying up especially if Alex Smith ends up in Miami. Maybe Cleveland trades down a bit and jumps on him.
What do you Seahawks fans think, you're team's pretty well rounded, not too committed to Flynn and not overwhelmed with glaring deficiencies, is it possible that they still pick up Tannehill if he's sitting their when they pick? They'd be paying the two of them less than franchise QBs and some less than franchise QBs like the Sanchize. You might end up wasting the pick on a player you don't end up needing, but in that scenario you can be the beneficiaries of a starting QB trade to give you ammo to fill what ever holes open up by then.

Mind you guys I haven't been paying too close of attention to the offseason so far so if I'm missing some glaring holes in your roster that dictate a first round pick be spent to address them, please correct me.
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Per NFL network 3 years 26 million, 10 million guaranteed
WOW. That seems low for a QB. The 12 and 13 salaries might be good numbers, but the cap blows up in 2014 so this looks very low to me.
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That's a lot less than I thought it would be
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WOW. That seems low for a QB. The 12 and 13 salaries might be good numbers, but the cap blows up in 2014 so this looks very low to me.
Rookie QB wage scale is pushing down the price of potential at the QB position. When using a first round pick on a high upside guy only costs you the pick and a couple mil per year some guy with two career starts isn't going to warrant the crazy money they used to.
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The OC is Darrell Bevell. He has no problem using tight ends.

Anyway, I think I like Flynn enough to love this deal for Seattle. I could see them taking the division if San Fran doesn't bring in Peyton. I don't think SF's success is sustainable without a major upgrade at QB. Too many close games that could eventually start swinging the other way, IMO.

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I'm surprised that Flynn's deal ended up being reasonable; maybe the recent Cassel/Kolb deals scared teams off? Regardless, I was more impressed with the prior body of work of those two players than with Flynn's. Nice move for the Seahawks financially; however, it's interesting that Philbin didn't value Flynn enough to beat that offer. That looks like a bad omen, although it's also possible Mike Sherman convinced the club that Ryan Tannehill was worth picking at number eight.
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The OC is Darrell Bevell. He has no problem using tight ends.

Anyway, I think I like Flynn enough to love this deal for Seattle. I could see them taking the division if San Fran doesn't bring in Peyton. I don't think SF's success is sustainable without a major upgrade at QB. Too many close games that could eventually start swinging the other way, IMO.

....cue the bitching SF fans
Like both against Seattle.

Including T-Jack choking horrendously in one.

And Ted Ginn returning two kicks for TDs in the other.
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What do you Seahawks fans think, you're team's pretty well rounded, not too committed to Flynn and not overwhelmed with glaring deficiencies, is it possible that they still pick up Tannehill if he's sitting their when they pick? They'd be paying the two of them less than franchise QBs and some less than franchise QBs like the Sanchize. You might end up wasting the pick on a player you don't end up needing, but in that scenario you can be the beneficiaries of a starting QB trade to give you ammo to fill what ever holes open up by then.

Mind you guys I haven't been paying too close of attention to the offseason so far so if I'm missing some glaring holes in your roster that dictate a first round pick be spent to address them, please correct me.
I wouldn't mind at all, but honestly, I doubt he'll make it to #12 and the bigger thing is with signing Flynn, the Seahawks are no longer thinking about trading up to get Tannehill, and that's probably what it would take. Cleveland's still going to be thinking about it, Kansas City will be, Miami might be. Buffalo could be a dark horse to pick him at #10.
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I wouldn't mind at all, but honestly, I doubt he'll make it to #12 and the bigger thing is with signing Flynn, the Seahawks are no longer thinking about trading up to get Tannehill, and that's probably what it would take. Cleveland's still going to be thinking about it, Kansas City will be, Miami might be. Buffalo could be a dark horse to pick him at #10.
See I just don't think Holmgren's going to take that risk at #4, KC could although for some reason i'm not feeling it and Miami probably would although they've done dumber things than passing on a raw prospect. Buffalo could but I think they're the least likely since they have the best current QB of the bunch and seem positioned to make a push for the AFC East title or at least a Wild card and so will probably be looking for a more immediate piece like an OT, WR or even a DB if Claiborne somehow falls to their pick.

I just think that realistically KC and Miami are the two biggest threats for you and I wouldn't be shocked to see KC delude themselves into giving Cassel one more year while Miami thinks that Matt Moore and a second round pick will get the job done, more doubtful on the latter, but just wondering how far he could end up sliding n cause if he makes it past you, I think he ends up a Brown and I like the kid so would hate to see him on that team...I have an irrational hatred for the City of Cleveland and because of it the entire state of Ohio, it's why I still can't whole-heartedly hate LeBron even though he went to the ***** ass Heat.
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What do you Seahawks fans think, you're team's pretty well rounded, not too committed to Flynn and not overwhelmed with glaring deficiencies, is it possible that they still pick up Tannehill if he's sitting their when they pick? They'd be paying the two of them less than franchise QBs and some less than franchise QBs like the Sanchize. You might end up wasting the pick on a player you don't end up needing, but in that scenario you can be the beneficiaries of a starting QB trade to give you ammo to fill what ever holes open up by then.

Mind you guys I haven't been paying too close of attention to the offseason so far so if I'm missing some glaring holes in your roster that dictate a first round pick be spent to address them, please correct me.
I really like Tannehill and wouldnt mind picking him in the first but I think the team goes pass rusher at 12 and picks a QB in the 2nd/3rd rounder. They are usually very open about needs and they said they wanted speed at Lb and more pass rush. They also like Cousins and Osweiler a lot so if they fall the team would probably take them.

They could also play with fire and trade down in the first as no team before Cleveland at 22 needs a QB. If it works they get extra picks and take Tannehill at a more value spot. If not it doesn't really screw them up.
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Nice pickup for Seattle. They had to make a move at quarterback to at least make the safeties think their presense may be needed somewhere other than in Lynch's grill.

If their o-line investments can stay healthy and progress, this offense is getting close to being a complete deal and their d is a pretty solid unit.
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Good move and deal for both sides.... I would really like to see Flynn do well and I think he will... or atleast I hope.
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Doug Baldwin will be switching to #89 so Flynn can wear 15.


On the subject of Tannehill, I don't see it happening. The Hawks are in need of linebackers and a pass rusher. If Flynn doesn't work out, the 2013 QB class ain't too shabby.
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What do you Seahawks fans think, you're team's pretty well rounded, not too committed to Flynn and not overwhelmed with glaring deficiencies, is it possible that they still pick up Tannehill if he's sitting their when they pick? They'd be paying the two of them less than franchise QBs and some less than franchise QBs like the Sanchize. You might end up wasting the pick on a player you don't end up needing, but in that scenario you can be the beneficiaries of a starting QB trade to give you ammo to fill what ever holes open up by then.

Mind you guys I haven't been paying too close of attention to the offseason so far so if I'm missing some glaring holes in your roster that dictate a first round pick be spent to address them, please correct me.
First off i dont think they go near Tannehill now. On the outside chance an Osweiler was there in the 3rd or 4th then maybe go with that.

My best guess for their 1st pick would probably be from:

1. David DeCastro
2. Michael Floyd
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First off i dont think they go near Tannehill now. On the outside chance an Osweiler was there in the 3rd or 4th then maybe go with that.

My best guess for their 1st pick would probably be from:

1. David DeCastro
2. Michael Floyd
3. Luke Kuechly
4. Melvin Ingram
Not an offensive lineman again...

They already have Okung, Carpenter and Moffit who they've spet high picks on recently.

Kuechly would be the best and most logical choice IMO.
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Doug Baldwin will be switching to #89 so Flynn can wear 15.


On the subject of Tannehill, I don't see it happening. The Hawks are in need of linebackers and a pass rusher. If Flynn doesn't work out, the 2013 QB class ain't too shabby.
15... bahh what a stupid number.
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15... bahh what a stupid number.
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Why does he want #15 anyway. Its not like he has some past connection to it.

EDIT: Take that back...

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Not an offensive lineman again...

They already have Okung, Carpenter and Moffit who they've spet high picks on recently.

Kuechly would be the best and most logical choice IMO.


Yeah I'd hate another offensive lineman in the 1st. Add Spencer to the list of recent 1st round OL.

Lber is a logical choice as its looking like KJ Wright will be the only returning starter there.
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dont even act like you were a QB in HS, voodoomonkey!
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dont even act like you were a QB in HS, voodoomonkey!
No, but I was always number 15 in basketball, baseball, and soccer.

And if I had had the patience to go out for my high school's team my last two years, I totally would have been the starting quarterback. And I would've made it rain out there.
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Good signing. I don't think this takes Seattle out of the Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson sweepstakes next year either.
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