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Old 03-18-2012, 07:42 PM    (permalink
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Honest question.

Why is 3/26 considered a really good deal for the Seahawks, yet Alex Smith is being bashed for turning down 3/24?
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:45 PM    (permalink
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Honest question.

Why is 3/26 considered a really good deal for the Seahawks, yet Alex Smith is being bashed for turning down 3/24?
Because you know what you have in Smith. He isn't worth that kind of money. I'm not saying Flynn is either, but IMO he has a potentially higher upside to him than Smith at this stage of his career.
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And its actually 3/19 plus 5 in incentives.
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Because you know what you have in Smith. He isn't worth that kind of money. I'm not saying Flynn is either, but IMO he has a potentially higher upside to him than Smith at this stage of his career.
You realize that Flynn is only 1 year younger than Smith? Upside?
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You realize that Flynn is only 1 year younger than Smith? Upside?

Upside and age are not the same.

Smith has shown what he can do. Flynn has only played 2 games, in which he's shown flashes of being very good.
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You realize that Flynn is only 1 year younger than Smith? Upside?
Yeah, and in 6 seasons Smith has proven to be nothing more than a game manager. It he more likely to turn it after having 6 years as a starter than Flynn is? That's the real question. Hence Flynn is perceived to have more upside in terms of possibly becoming a starting caliber QB than Smith.
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And its actually 3/19 plus 5 in incentives.
Thank you for that clarification.
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Flynn also has an amazing girlfriend. She's worth that contract by herself.
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Flynn also has an amazing girlfriend. She's worth that contract by herself.
3/19 for a starting QB? Damn, she must be ugly.
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3/19 to get the girl in Seattle. The starting QB is just a bonus.
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So what does this say about the relationship he had with Philbin? or Philbin's opinion of Flynn?
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So what does this say about the relationship he had with Philbin? or Philbin's opinion of Flynn?
Nothing and nothing. Ross lowballed Flynn, Seattle really wanted him. 'Nugh said.
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So what does this say about the relationship he had with Philbin? or Philbin's opinion of Flynn?
Ross is an even bigger jackhole once you talk to him in person?
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So what does this say about the relationship he had with Philbin? or Philbin's opinion of Flynn?
I think they tried to pinch pennies to sign Flynn knowing his relationship with Philbin and got out maneuvered. They seem desperate at the moment which explains the reach out to Alex Smith.
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So what does this say about the relationship he had with Philbin? or Philbin's opinion of Flynn?
Maybe he went where the $$$ was..
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I think they tried to pinch pennies to sign Flynn knowing his relationship with Philbin and got out maneuvered. They seem desperate at the moment which explains the reach out to Alex Smith.
They're running out of options. Here's a thought, what if...

Flynn to Seattle.
Manning to Denver.
Smith stays.

...

Bring Tebow home?
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And don't forget, Seattle's GM was in GB for Flynn's first couple of seasons, so they have a history.
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Flynn also has an amazing girlfriend. She's worth that contract by herself.
Must be that Elizabeth Smith is ugly...

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Nothing and nothing. Ross lowballed Flynn, Seattle really wanted him. 'Nugh said.
If Seattle really wanted him, why didn't they sign him earlier? Why did they only give him 3 years?
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Stop being a Smithscuser.
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If Seattle really wanted him, why didn't they sign him earlier? Why did they only give him 3 years?
It's been less than a week since free agency started. It's not like they signed him 5 days before the draft. Flynn had been talking to other teams too. And why would they give him more than 3 years? That's the perfect length for both sides. If he sucks then they aren't in it too deep. If he's good then he'll be able to cash in big, being only 29 the next time he's a free agent. And they'll have no problem paying him big then if he's proven to be a good QB.
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He was the #1 recruit or in the top 5. I don't know if Perriloux and Flynn were ever on the same team though.
#1 and yes they played on the same team in '07
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If you leave aside their futile efforts to make home run grabs, along with their crap-tastic history with QB's (and trading picks for QB's), I'd say this isn't the worst thing for the Dolphins. I think Flynn is an intriguing QB who has gotten over-hyped a bit (although the contract does seem a lot more ... fair than I initially expected). He might be a very good QB, but there's QB's that have similar skillsets/ability, so losing Flynn shouldn't have been that big a deal at all.

The problem is how all this played out - the aggressive push for Manning, the failure to land Manning, trading away Marshall in b/w, seemingly low-balling Flynn (and considering the contract he ended with ... ), and then the aggressive pursuit of Alex Smith. This is an offense at it's very root that simply desires a smart AND quick decision maker with good field vision and a quick release. Yes, having an Aaron Rodgers fire-baller would be nice, but those are hard to come by. A guy with that can hit the intermediate routes and occasionally take deep shots can excel, and you can find a lot of QB's that have that level of skillset. Whether or not they have the brains for the offense is another question, but again, my point is the loss of Flynn shouldn't have been a big deal, but the issue is how they went about things.

I'm still in the camp that thinks Alex Smith has a bit more untapped ability, and I'm not so sure Alex Smith can't be as productive, if not moreso, than Matt Flynn in this offense. If Matt Hasselbeck get displaced, or if Jake Locker gets offered on the open market, they would be intriguing gambles to take (provided the price was right). I still wonder about Brian Hoyer and why no one has remotely any interest in the guy - he would seem like a possible fit the scheme.

Get a decent veteran in there, draft a Tannehill, Cousins type to develop, and things could be just fine. Personally, I'm not so sure that I wouldn't prefer a young vet and passing on Tannehill (and drafting a QB in the 2nd), although it wouldn't surprise me if they redirected their first round attention towards trying to land Tannehill now (and giving the hard sell on his upside and his relationship with Sherman). Here's hoping, if they go that route, that they've learned their lesson and won't put all their eggs in one basket in terms of how they present things.
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I think Harbaugh made Alex Smith look better than he really is. He's a mid level starting QB, a guy your team is always looking to upgrade.

Flynn will take Seattle to the next level..playoffs.
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Yea good luck Seattle while you have Flynn.The 49ers will hopefully have Manning ...
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