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Old 03-20-2012, 04:19 PM    (permalink
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There were a # of teams in desperate need of a QB this off season and they all hoped to find at least some prospect for improvement at the position.

Denver -Peyton
Seattle - Flynn
Washington - RG111
Indy - Luck
Miami - Garrard

Then there is Cleveland who lost out at every turn and is stuck with a career backup in McCoy after Holmgren promised a new QB this season for the team.
What is going on in Cleveland??? Does this team have even a hint of a plan for its future. I just don't see it. Are they now forced to draft Tannehill at #4???
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There were a # of teams in desperate need of a QB this off season and they all hoped to find at least some prospect for improvement at the position.

Denver -Peyton
Seattle - Flynn
Washington - RG111
Indy - Luck
Miami - Garrard

Then there is Cleveland who lost out at every turn and is stuck with a career backup in McCoy after Holmgren promised a new QB this season for the team.
What is going on in Cleveland??? Does this team have even a hint of a plan for its future. I just don't see it. Are they now forced to draft Tannehill at #4???
I'm not sure Miami should be included because Garrard is, and always has been, a mediocre starter. Both these teams should be very interested in Ryan Tannehill come the draft.

I really think Cleveland should draft him at 4 and let him sit behind McCoy for at least part of the year
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I'm not sure Miami should be included because Garrard is, and always has been, a mediocre starter. Both these teams should be very interested in Ryan Tannehill come the draft.

I really think Cleveland should draft him at 4 and let him sit behind McCoy for at least part of the year
I'm in agreement but Garrard had back surgery last year which is why he was cut and not picked up by anybody, so he may well rebound and offer Miami some hope. Remember, outside of Jones-Drew, who did Jacksonville have to help Garrard on offense. They have nothing at WR and their OL is average or worse at best.
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If you think Garrard on a cheap one-year deal where he was only promised the opportunity to compete is Miami's solution, you might want to re-think. It would be shocking if they passed on Tannehill should he be available at 8.

EDIT: As for Cleveland, I dont think they value Tannehill at 4. If they traded down it might make sense. If he's available at 22, its a no brainer. I think they are more likely to take Weeden at 22 or with their 2nd round pick. Cousins could make sense with their second rounder too.
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If you think Garrard on a cheap one-year deal where he was only promised the opportunity to compete is Miami's solution, you might want to re-think. It would be shocking if they passed on Tannehill should he be available at 8.

EDIT: As for Cleveland, I dont think they value Tannehill at 4. If they traded down it might make sense. If he's available at 22, its a no brainer. I think they are more likely to take Weeden at 22 or with their 2nd round pick. Cousins could make sense with their second rounder too.
It is certainly a possibility that they take Weedon in one of those 2 spots, but for a team rebuilding for its future, it is going to be hard to justify taking a pretty old guy that high.

I'm just not sure they haven't backed themselves into Tannehill at #4 even if it's a huge reach. They waited way too long to match or better Washington's offer for RG111 and lost out, now they may be forced to give away high picks to try and save face with their fan base.
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Maybe they should trade for Mark Sanchez or sign Alex Smith.

Really, they should just bring Charlie Casserly in as a consultant.
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The Browns really wanted Griffin. They missed out on him and the options they were left with weren't that great. Peyton Manning is an old QB who is ready to join a winner. Not a fit there. They did research on Matt Flynn and decided that he wasn't worth pursuing. Luck and Griffin are unatainable obviously. Tannehill is the only other starting QB on the market - and I don't think they will view him as a good pick at 4. I think he's more realistic to Miam at 8 than Cleveland at 4. They seem content to surround Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace with talent this offseason and then find a QB next year as their top priority.

I strongly believe that if they don't take Tannehill in round one that they won't take a QB until round 4 or 5 at the earliest. It would make no sense for them to invest a pick in Weeden (who is old, and really debatable whether or not he is an upgrade over McCoy) or Cousins (who profiles as a mediocre QB and a backup as it is).
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While I'm a believer in Tannehill, one thing I will say is that, if the coaching staff doesn't believe in him as a franchise QB, then they shouldn't take him at 4, irrespective of perceived value/needs by fans or suggestions by the media.

As of right now, I have high doubts they lean that way. The rumor for weeks has been Richardson ahead of Blackmon on their board at 4, and I think their thinking is that they'll give McCoy one more twirl and arm him with a better supporting cast (and add a WR at 22 or the 2nd). They'll add a QB in the 2nd-4th round range, depending on who is on the board. If McCoy falters, I think the thinking then becomes, okay, we've got some core pieces to give our next QB a better chance.

Now, if Tannehill akin to Quinn, I think they'd make a move for him, but I just don't see it at 4. That said, if any team has backed itself into a corner, I think it's Miami. I think they'll probably end up going after Tannehill and hard sell his raw talent in comparison to a guy like Flynn. Whether or not they have to move up for him, don't know.
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The Browns really wanted Griffin. They missed out on him and the options they were left with weren't that great. Peyton Manning is an old QB who is ready to join a winner. Not a fit there. They did research on Matt Flynn and decided that he wasn't worth pursuing. Luck and Griffin are unatainable obviously. Tannehill is the only other starting QB on the market - and I don't think they will view him as a good pick at 4. I think he's more realistic to Miam at 8 than Cleveland at 4. They seem content to surround Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace with talent this offseason and then find a QB next year as their top priority.

I strongly believe that if they don't take Tannehill in round one that they won't take a QB until round 4 or 5 at the earliest. It would make no sense for them to invest a pick in Weeden (who is old, and really debatable whether or not he is an upgrade over McCoy) or Cousins (who profiles as a mediocre QB and a backup as it is).
You think he's a day 1 starter?
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not at all. he's a lot like Jake Locker, needs a year or two of experience and learning behind a veteran before he's ready to start realizing his potential as a starting QB.....but he profiles as an NFL starting QB in the future.
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not at all. he's a lot like Jake Locker, needs a year or two of experience and learning behind a veteran before he's ready to start realizing his potential as a starting QB.....but he profiles as an NFL starting QB in the future.
I really hate the thought of a project with Cleveland right now. You already have a shaky QB situation, and if McCoy struggles, who goes in? Seneca again? This is looking like Jacksonville/Gabbert more than anything else. Makes me highly nervous.

Personally, I don't get the hype. A&M was a talented team that flopped in large part to (albeit inexperienced) QB play, and I know his receivers weren't doing well. His mechanics need quite a bit of work. He broke his foot and it's affected him in his showcase games. It's shaky. ANd just from the eye test, I don't look at him as a leader.
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The Browns could definitely use more of a sure thing/ready to play right away rookie QB......but if they really love him I guess beggars can't be choosers. That said I don't think they'll take him. It sounds like maybe Richardson at 4 and Kendall Wright/Michael Floyd at 22 is our best bet.
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The Browns should be calling the Patriots to see if Hoyer is available.

I typed a big long post to this and accidentally hit back so lost it all. The basics of it was "if the browns believe in Tannehill, take him at #4. If not I think the Dolphins take him with the connection to Sherman. Otherwise, it looks like they make have to take a Brock Osweiler with their other pick"
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Hoyer was lousy in college. He's not as good as Matt Flynn, never was. Mallett is the Patriots backup who is going to be a good pro. I don't think the Browns draft a QB until the 5th or so as their 3rd/developmental QB while McCoy is the starter and Wallace the backup.
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Miami and Cleveland could end up bidding for the 3rd pick to take Tannehill (which would be insane, IMO).

Miami's fans are going to "protest" Jeff Ireland and Stephen Ross soon, so Miami may be desperate to make a big move...
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I think the Browns will give Colt another year, and also bring in either a vet or a rookie in the 2nd/3rd. Cousins, Weeden, Foles and Osweiler all have to be in consideration right now, but Cousins fits the best IMO
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I think the Browns will give Colt another year, and also bring in either a vet or a rookie in the 2nd/3rd. Cousins, Weeden, Foles and Osweiler all have to be in consideration right now, but Cousins fits the best IMO
would be a waste of a high pick.
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Browns aren't willing to give up Colt unless its a franchise stud (not this year) Hopefully we don't waste a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB and I don't think we will. Seneca just got an extension. Draft a bunch of playmakers, as many as possible and if things are going terribly wrong with Colt you bring in Seneca and see how he runs the offense hes been running his whole career (Seattle and Cleveland connection as well with Holmgren). Give the guys some weapons, if things go terribly wrong, then we will talk about Matt Barkley
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Browns should trade down from the #4 pick and let Miami take Tannehill at #8 Browns could then take Weeden at #37 (Round 2) Neither Weeden or McCoy are the long term starters. But one of them will have to do for the present time. One of them can become the back-up. Either one is a better option to Seneca Wallace. Browns have no depth at the QB position. What they need are at least one earlier round draft pick in the hopes that they get lucky with picks that can START.
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Cleveland should use their three picks in the top 37 to get the best players available, and if that means Richardson at 4, Barron at 22, and Alshon Jeffrey at 37, then do it. If Colt is half a quarterback, he'll be able to win with some weapons. If he can't, then they can get their QB next year when they are picking 1st.
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I think the Browns will give Colt another year, and also bring in either a vet or a rookie in the 2nd/3rd. Cousins, Weeden, Foles and Osweiler all have to be in consideration right now, but Cousins fits the best IMO
It's looking like they'll give Colt another year. As for drafting a QB it probably would be someone you mentioned but not till round 4 or so.

I can honestly see Holmgren adding pieces to the team and then next year if the wins dont increase then it's time to go out and get a Barkely, Wilson or a Bray with that first pick.
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Dude what the **** is your deal? Why do you care about the Browns so much to constantly **** on them?
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Browns should avoid any QB's in the draft until the late rounds. Maybe take a flyer on someone just to see if something good happens. It's not worth taking Tannehill, Cousins (espeically NOT Cousins), or any other QB in the first three rounds. The only one I'd be remotely comfortable with is Weeden in the third, but even then I don't want to see it. Just build your OL and WR corps, and get the BPA's when possible.
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Cleveland should use their three picks in the top 37 to get the best players available, and if that means Richardson at 4, Barron at 22, and Alshon Jeffrey at 37, then do it. If Colt is half a quarterback, he'll be able to win with some weapons. If he can't, then they can get their QB next year when they are picking 1st.
I don't get this. Why is Barron to Cleveland picking up steam on here?
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BPA, I guess. I picked him out of thin air, actually, mostly because I didn't want to pick Kendall Wright there. Maybe Stephen Hill at 22 would work better, then best O-Lineman at 37.
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