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Old 03-27-2012, 06:01 AM    (permalink
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-loomis-today/

So this could actually happen.
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I don't like the fit at all. I get that Carmichael will take care of the offense and Spags will coach the D, letting Parcells only filling the "leadership guy" role who'll command respect from players, but I'm not sure these players are going to listen to a 71 years old dinosaur who came out of nowhere, who's clearly not coaching his team and who'll only be there for a single year. Parcells would have zero coaching powers over the players.
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Parcells is teasing them. That's all it is. He's done this a million times before.
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Eh, the guy has won two Superbowls and completely rebuilt a couple of other teams taking them on deep playoff runs. Plus he's Payton's old mentor.

If Payton chooses him, I think the player will listen. Carmichael and Spags will coach the Xs and Os of their sides of the ball while Parcells simply oversees. I don't think it's too bad of arrangement, plus Parcells won't want to stick around beyond this year, so Payton's should be safe to return to his job.
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The curious thing to me is the fit. Parcells approach to football is the exact opposite of Sean Payton.
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Payton's main focus is to make sure that whoever he picks is the coach only for 2012. If he chooses his retiree former mentor, he increases his chances of having a job to come back to. All else is secondary.

Plus it can be spun into a great move because, like I said before, Parcells has won two Superbowls and taken a bunch of other teams into the playoffs.

Win/win for Payton.
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The curious thing to me is the fit. Parcells approach to football is the exact opposite of Sean Payton.
Yup, this. I could see it working if Payton got a guy who coach the game like him. Bill Parcells is not that guy even if he's Payton's mentor. Would Parcells changes his approach to the guy to fit Payton's ? Doubtful. What will happen when the big Tuna screams at and berates a player ? How will that player react to being berated by a lame duck 71 years old guy ? They never got that treatment with Payton.
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Payton yells at his players plenty. That's not the issue to me. The issue to me is Parcells is a conservative coach who plays ball control offense and prefers a big physical run stopping defense. Payton is aggressive offensively, and prefers smaller faster defenders on defense.

In terms of everything else, Payton learned from Parcells, discipline and all the rest is probably not much different.
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If Parcells were to simply let the coordinators run their sides of the ball, I don't think we'd see much of a difference. He'd be like a retired teacher that comes back as a substitute. He's just there to make sure they don't all kill eachother.
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Payton yells at his players plenty. That's not the issue to me.
While he's not a soft guy ala Tony Dungy, Payton is way more of a player coach than Parcells is/was. Payton does not accept ******** from his players, but he doesn't publicly yell at them either. Of course I don't follow the Saints everyday, but from my NFC South football watching, I don't think they're close in the discipline department.

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Well, I assumed Parcells isn't dumb enough to try to completly change how the Saints play the game while being the interim coach. I think he'll let the others guys take care of the X's and O's, even if they're not in concordance with his view of the game. If he takes the job and forces the Saints to play big physicial football, then of course the fit is even worse.

I don't see why they don't just promote a guy who's already on the coaching staff. A guy that the players know and trust. A coach who knows the team and its players. They're the Saints, I think they can take care of themselves without hiring an outsider.
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Payton yells at his players plenty. That's not the issue to me. The issue to me is Parcells is a conservative coach who plays ball control offense and prefers a big physical run stopping defense. Payton is aggressive offensively, and prefers smaller faster defenders on defense.

In terms of everything else, Payton learned from Parcells, discipline and all the rest is probably not much different.
The new coach will come in and be a media face. Bills headset might as well be off because Charmichael is running the offense and Spags the defense. Bill will just be a face.
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I wonder what the Saints plan is to fill their Rooney Rule interview if they hire Parcells. I read that if they promote from within, they don't have to do it, but if they hire from the outside, they do.

Maybe they'll just hire Parcells and pay whatever fine there is for not interviewing a minority. They probably figure they're already dishing out fine money..whats a few hundred K more?
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If Parcells were to simply let the coordinators run their sides of the ball, I don't think we'd see much of a difference. He'd be like a retired teacher that comes back as a substitute. He's just there to make sure they don't all kill eachother.
Lol I love this analogy and I appreciate a good analogy.
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I wonder what the Saints plan is to fill their Rooney Rule interview if they hire Parcells. I read that if they promote from within, they don't have to do it, but if they hire from the outside, they do.

Maybe they'll just hire Parcells and pay whatever fine there is for not interviewing a minority. They probably figure they're already dishing out fine money..whats a few hundred K more?
They would have to 'interview' somebody on-staff, because no outsider would interview for a one-year gig that's going to Parcells anyway.
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Lol I love this analogy and I appreciate a good analogy.
I could picture him putting a video for the class to watch while he kicks up behind the desk and reads a newspaper, occasionally looking up to yell "QUIET" when the class gets unruly.

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They would have to 'interview' somebody on-staff, because no outsider would interview for a one-gig that's going to Parcells anyway.
It'd be a complete sham either way. "Yeah, we obeyed the Rooney Rule. Our assistant running backs coach is half black and he was 'interviewed' for the job. We swear!"
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You don't think that anybody would buy this guy as a legit candidate:

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team...6-59b6443e4a3c

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No, me neither.
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It'd be a complete sham either way. "Yeah, we obeyed the Rooney Rule. Our assistant running backs coach is half black and he was 'interviewed' for the job. We swear!"
The Rooney rule itself is a sham. Black or white if you're qualified you'll get an interview. I'd rather not interview than be the "token black guy".

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Without it, Steelers wouldn't have Mike Tomlin as their coach. It has worked for its purpose.
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The Rooney rule itself is a sham. Black or white if you're qualified you'll get an interview. I'd rather not interview than be the "token black guy".
The problem is if you're already on the coaching staff, they can strongly hint that you should interview.

Take that aforementioned minority assistant RB coach and say "hey, go sit in the GM's office for 5 minutes to count as an 'interview' then we can hire Bill Parcells."

I don't know about you guys, but I don't feel that saying "no" to your bosses on something big is a good career move.
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Without it, Steelers wouldn't have Mike Tomlin as their coach. It has worked for its purpose.
Without LeBeau, Tomlin would be out of a job also.
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******** was Tomlin not the best candidate?
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******** was Tomlin not the best candidate?
Well, they had recently won the Superbowl and had two in-house head coaching candidates in Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm who would keep up continuity...

But no, let's go hire that up and coming young black guy from a different team who runs a completely different style of defense than we do so he can be a glorified cheerleader.

There was always something a little fishy about the whole situation. I read rumors about how the NFL gave a hint-nudge that maybe the Steelers should hire a minority since their owner came up with the rule. No one anywhere will confirm anything obviously, and the mere suggestion tends to lead to angry Steeler fans who enjoy Tom Tom's antics, but it wasn't the more logical move to me.

Luckily, Dick LeBeau was still around and they had a franchise QB in Ben.
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Well, they just won the Superbowl and had two in-house head coaching candidates in Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm who would keep up continuity...

But no, let's go hire that up and coming young black guy from a different team who runs a completely different style of defense than we do so he can be a glorified cheerleader.

There was always something a little fishy about the whole situation. I read rumors about how the NFL gave a hint-nudge that maybe the Steelers should hire a minority since their owner came up with the rule. No one anywhere will confirm anything obviously, and the mere suggestion tends to lead to angry Steeler fans who enjoy Tom Tom's antics, but it wasn't the more logical move to me

Luckily, Dick LeBeau was still around and they had a franchise QB in Ben.
all the Rooney rule did was force them to interview Tomlin they weren't forced to hire him so they could have still hired either of the other 2.
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Well, they had recently won the Superbowl and had two in-house head coaching candidates in Ken Whisenhunt and Russ Grimm who would keep up continuity...

But no, let's go hire that up and coming young black guy from a different team who runs a completely different style of defense than we do so he can be a glorified cheerleader.

There was always something a little fishy about the whole situation. I read rumors about how the NFL gave a hint-nudge that maybe the Steelers should hire a minority since their owner came up with the rule. No one anywhere will confirm anything obviously, and the mere suggestion tends to lead to angry Steeler fans who enjoy Tom Tom's antics, but it wasn't the more logical move to me.

Luckily, Dick LeBeau was still around and they had a franchise QB in Ben.
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all the Rooney rule did was force them to interview Tomlin they weren't forced to hire him so they could have still hired either of the other 2.
Hence the "hint hint nudge nudge wink wink" that supposedly came from the league. I'm trying to dig up some of the articles that talked about it way back when.

edit: Supposedly, as rumor has it, the Steelers were poised to hire Grimm and some published reports even came out confirming that.....THEN it went to Tomlin.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740378

Anyway, that was years ago and everyone has moved on. Getting too far off topic...it was just a fishy thing that happened and the Tomlin coached Steelers have won a SB since then, so it's hard to say he was a bad choice.
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