New Orleans Saints Scandal Thread - Page 25

YAYareaRB · 04-05-2012, 12:50 PM

or twitter.

"s/o to @SeanPayton for still being suspended after the appeal. #peacebitches" hahahaha

killxswitch · 04-05-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PhysicalwithanF

The irony of this whole thing is that the Niners were the ones who:

1. Won the game
2. Had some of the best offensive output of the year from (Davis,Smith,Gore etc)
3. Was the team that knocked the f#^^$*&ck out of the Saints.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss2dn_QI5kE

That's the thing. Even with all this dirty stuff Williams' defenses aren't that great.

CJSchneider · 04-05-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

whoa. that audio recording certainly doesn't help matters. its not uncommon dialogue in locker rooms, that type of stuff just doesn't leave the locker room.

Which in my mind tells me, if I find out who the snitch is, I owe you a real-personal ass-whoopin'.

YAYareaRB · 04-05-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Which in my mind tells me, if I find out who the snitch is, I owe you a real-personal ass-whoopin'.

the audio recording was gathered while making a film for former player steve gleason who has ALS and the guy behind the film released it. it just baffles me that greg williams thought it was still OK to talk like that on camera.

but i thought i heard someone say that the person who leaked some info on the bounty was jeremy shockey

Ness · 04-05-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac

This is what I'm talking about...

The Gregg Williiam's stuff has absolutely NOTHING to do with old-school, hit-as-hard-as-you-can football. This is about attaching monetary reward for injuring players, and lying to the NFL when questioned about it.

Yes. I don't recall Ronnie Lott being a bounty hunter.

descendency · 04-05-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

what proof is there that the list of players, played for bounty vs just played hard?

I doubt that information is going to be leaked, but there was information that pointed in the direction of a pay for injury scheme in 2009. Then you get a player to testify to that and you basically have all you need.

The NFL isn't stupid. They wouldn't go in on 1 random person's testimony that could easily fall apart.

Ness · 04-05-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

I don't think the players were wrong because I don't think 5k motivated a guy making 10 million dollars to hurt a player. Except Vilma because he supposedly offered up 10k for Favre.

Well we don't know everyone's mindset. Even if I make 10 million dollars, I wouldn't mind an extra 5k. Now if it's to injure someone on purpose, probably not. But everyone may not feel the same way.

vidae · 04-05-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

the audio recording was gathered while making a film for former player steve gleason who has ALS and the guy behind the film released it. it just baffles me that greg williams thought it was still OK to talk like that on camera.

but i thought i heard someone say that the person who leaked some info on the bounty was jeremy shockey

Roger Goodell came out and said that Shockey wasn't the whistleblower.

CJSchneider · 04-05-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Yes. I don't recall Ronnie Lott being a bounty hunter.

No, but I promise you if Lott knew you had a bad hand or a bad leg he was gonna make you "decide" whether it was worth said injury getting worse (because he was gonna put a helmet/face-mask on it) or decide to watch the game from the sidelines. That's how the game is played and I have no problem with any player playing in that manner. Twisting your ankle while on the ground in the pile or trying to get to your eyes through the face mask after the tackle is bush-league, but in the words of Herm Edwards "You play to win the game!"

Bert Macklin · 04-05-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PhysicalwithanF

The irony of this whole thing is that the Niners were the ones who:

1. Won the game
2. Had some of the best offensive output of the year from (Davis,Smith,Gore etc)
3. Was the team that knocked the f#^^$*&ck out of the Saints.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss2dn_QI5kE

And then lost to a team we butt raped. So congrats on a playoff win I guess?

descendency · 04-05-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm sure some of us here have sat in defensive meetings where we've heard similar language. I never heard a coach say go after his ACL or his concussion, but I have heard guys say knock him the F out. That's nothing new.

That's the problem I have with it. It's not "go hit him hard" but "go take a cheap shot at his legs". Even that isn't illegal. The part that bothers me is the part about testing someone's concussion. The rest of the stuff just seems like a good "rah rah" speech, although "kill the head" may be a poor choice of words in today's NFL.

Clearly there is a difference.

CJSchneider · 04-05-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Roger Goodell came out and said that Shockey wasn't the whistleblower.

If Goodell said he didn't enjoy watching men dressed in leather dance together, would you believe that also?

Ness · 04-05-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

No, but I promise you if Lott knew you had a bad hand or a bad leg he was gonna make you "decide" whether it was worth said injury getting worse (because he was gonna put a helmet/face-mask on it) or decide to watch the game from the sidelines. That's how the game is played and I have no problem with any player playing in that manner. Twisting your ankle while on the ground in the pile or trying to get to your eyes through the face mask after the tackle is bush-league, but in the words of Herm Edwards "You play to win the game!"

Oh of course that happens. But doing it for illegal bonus-incentives is different. Because that could effect a defender's mindset when they are going up against another offensive player before that said player is even injured. This could lead to things like twisting ankles under the pile just to get that extra money. That is why I said I don't believe Ronnie Lott was ever labeled as a bounty hunter.

Bert Macklin · 04-05-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

No, but I promise you if Lott knew you had a bad hand or a bad leg he was gonna make you "decide" whether it was worth said injury getting worse (because he was gonna put a helmet/face-mask on it) or decide to watch the game from the sidelines. That's how the game is played and I have no problem with any player playing in that manner. Twisting your ankle while on the ground in the pile or trying to get to your eyes through the face mask after the tackle is bush-league, but in the words of Herm Edwards "You play to win the game!"

Bounty collected

YAYareaRB · 04-05-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

And then lost to a team we butt raped. So congrats on a playoff win I guess?

shows you how much regular season match ups mean in the playoffs right?

nikkayeah · 04-05-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

And then lost to a team we butt raped. So congrats on a playoff win I guess?

if you want to bring up past games...you lost to the RAMS???

Bert Macklin · 04-05-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nikkayeah

if you want to bring up past games...you lost to the RAMS???

Yeah but that lose didn't prevent us from going to the super bowl lol

CJSchneider · 04-05-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Oh of course that happens. But doing it for illegal bonus-incentives is different. Because that could effect a defender's mindset when they are going up against another offensive player before that said player is even injured. This could lead to things like twisting ankles under the pile just to get that extra money. That is why I said I don't believe Ronnie Lott was ever labeled as a bounty hunter.

That's our entire point. It happens if there is a bounty or not. We are ALL in agreement on that point as well as the one that paying a bounty outside of contract is wrong, and that doing so could lead to the very mindset you indicate. What we contest is how so many people want to point a finger as if it DOESN'T happen on their team.
Saints fans with any intelligence know that wrong was done and we now have to pay the proverbial piper (In this case, Goodell, whom I'd rather refer to as the puffer). What we are tired off is the fans of the other 31 teams who want to act as if their team does not take similar actions, even if not for a paid bounty.

PhysicalwithanF · 04-05-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

And then lost to a team we butt raped. So congrats on a playoff win I guess?

Lol..you Saints fan are so cute when you are all riled up. stay classy.

Bert Macklin · 04-05-2012, 01:40 PM

Also just to clarify I hate that I have to defend what they did. But with the blatant overwhelming "hang em!" mentality in this thread I feel compelled to defend my team and I'll do so no matter how much of a homer it makes me look. I figured fans of sports teams could at least respect that stance.

YAYareaRB · 04-05-2012, 01:49 PM

if anyone believes this doesn't go on around the league, they are:

1. in denial.
2. oblivious.
3. have never played football before.

im gonna be honest, we're instructed during the week of the game, who got hurt last week and who doesn't cover up when they get cut. but i have never been told to purposely tear someones ACL.

now if my coach told me to go out there and hurt someone and they'll be some monetary gain, i would do it in a heartbeat.

killxswitch · 04-05-2012, 01:49 PM

How do you defend your coaches continuing the bounty program when the NFL said to stop, multiple times? How do you defend Payton's marketing manager putting up his own money in this program?

vidae · 04-05-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

If Goodell said he didn't enjoy watching men dressed in leather dance together, would you believe that also?

What kind of stupid ass question is that?

njx9 · 04-05-2012, 01:56 PM

wait, did i just stumble into the 'spygate' thread? because all of the words are the same, just from different people.

CJSchneider · 04-05-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch

How do you defend your coaches continuing the bounty program when the NFL said to stop, multiple times? How do you defend Payton's marketing manager putting up his own money in this program?

I don't defend them. They were wrong and their punishment is just, I have never implied otherwise. My point is I have a big

for any fan of an NFL team who thinks that players and coaches across the league don't take advantage of every situation they can, to include picking on nagging injuries of their opponent.

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Originally Posted by vidae

What kind of stupid ass question is that?

My point is that I have no reason to believe Goodell and that he has always had a "weird" vibe attached to him. It had no direct bearing on the Bounty-gate topic, but I just see him as a closet-gimp.