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Old 03-26-2012, 06:35 PM    (permalink
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Teams are not allowed to trade compensatory picks, so they don't have as much ammo to trade up as you might think.
Yes, I know that, I was talking about trading our other picks.....the fact is that they have 13 picks and they don't need 13 drafted rookies in camp. They can trade picks that they are allowed to trade and still have 6th and 7th rounders thanks to the comps that were awarded. Before they might have been reluctant to move up b/c of having only 9 picks.
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You missed off Indy, 5, 6 and 7 I believe from the PDF?
5th Round, 170th overall

6th Round, 206th overall

7th Round, 253rd overall


We get the 1st and last picks in the draft.
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5th Round, 170th overall

6th Round, 206th overall

7th Round, 253rd overall


We get the 1st and last picks in the draft.
Hmmm, alright. Must have another team wrong then.
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This was expected for the Raiders.

I fully expect Reggie McKenzie to target an OLB he thinks can start almost immediately.

Raiders need another big body at DT. They could probably use a FS or CB as well as a speed rushing DE on the outside. Maybe they target their outside pass rush with their OLB and wrap it into 1 player. I doubt they can do that in the 3rd though.

The problem is that the Raiders have so many young players waiting in the wings for an opportunity, you have no idea what this new staff thinks of those players who have been recently drafted.

For example:
Joe Barksdale and Bruce Campbell were both expected to provide an infusion of youth on the right side of the offensive line. Neither has seized the opportunity but neither have they been eliminated from contention.
The Raiders have spent a bevy of mid round draft picks on TEs recently with Brandon Meyers, David Ausberry and Richard Gordon all waiting for their chance. Again none of them have displayed the ability to take the job outright like Tony Moeaki did in KC in 2010.

If the current regime sees potential in these guys, then it narrows down the needs with these compensatory picks. On the other hand, the Raiders could address any one of a dozen positions and have plenty of reason to support that choice.

The most frustrating thing is that the team could have drafted an immediate upgrade at any number of positions if they just waited it out last year after Jason Campbell's injury.
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I don't claim to know anything about this, but I think it's absolute horse **** that Miami never gets any. FML.
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I'm drawing a blank on who Dallas lost to get a 4th rounder. Laurent Robinson? That was a huge surprise.


edit: Ahh ok I'm way off. It goes to the FA class the year before. Forgot all about Stephen Bowen. Or maybe I'm still trying to forget to not get angry anymore
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I don't claim to know anything about this, but I think it's absolute horse **** that Miami never gets any. FML.
You have to lose good players in free agency to get the qualification process started. Just saying. :P
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I'm drawing a blank on who Dallas lost to get a 4th rounder. Laurent Robinson? That was a huge surprise.


edit: Ahh ok I'm way off. It goes to the FA class the year before. Forgot all about Stephen Bowen. Or maybe I'm still trying to forget to not get angry anymore
Yeah it was Bowen. You get comp picks for free agents you lost the year before. Not for free agents you lost this year. Bowen played a lot for Washington last year. All of the free agents Dallas signed last year, played very minimal minutes. Thats why they got the pick.
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We'll see this year, you have to like our odds with Palmer and DMC finally playing with one another and hopefully DMC can stay healthy for most the season.
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There are always 32 compensatory picks, so after the initial ones are handed out, the remaining picks are handed out by draft order. So the Colts should have a seventh as well.
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Wow, Raiders fans must be happy to see that. Those picks will help soften the loss of picks they traded away for Palmer.
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I expected GB to get a 4th for Jenkins, but I had forgotten that they even lost Daryn Colledge. They arguably upgraded the position and got a free draft pick? Can't beat that.
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With three mandatory picks in the seventh I can see the Steelers doing some moving around in the latter part of the draft. Maybe trading up in the fifth and/or sixth. Although it doesn't seem like much of a move, getting into the early part of these rounds could be a huge upgrade in talent.
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Wow, Raiders fans must be happy to see that. Those picks will help soften the loss of picks they traded away for Palmer.
And Terrelle Pryor.
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This was expected for the Raiders.

I fully expect Reggie McKenzie to target an OLB he thinks can start almost immediately.

Raiders need another big body at DT. They could probably use a FS or CB as well as a speed rushing DE on the outside. Maybe they target their outside pass rush with their OLB and wrap it into 1 player. I doubt they can do that in the 3rd though.

The problem is that the Raiders have so many young players waiting in the wings for an opportunity, you have no idea what this new staff thinks of those players who have been recently drafted.

For example:
Joe Barksdale and Bruce Campbell were both expected to provide an infusion of youth on the right side of the offensive line. Neither has seized the opportunity but neither have they been eliminated from contention.
The Raiders have spent a bevy of mid round draft picks on TEs recently with Brandon Meyers, David Ausberry and Richard Gordon all waiting for their chance. Again none of them have displayed the ability to take the job outright like Tony Moeaki did in KC in 2010.

If the current regime sees potential in these guys, then it narrows down the needs with these compensatory picks. On the other hand, the Raiders could address any one of a dozen positions and have plenty of reason to support that choice.

The most frustrating thing is that the team could have drafted an immediate upgrade at any number of positions if they just waited it out last year after Jason Campbell's injury.
Gordon and Ausberry were 6th and 7th round picks, respectively. Fringe roster guys like that should have no bearing on anything. Myers is a known quantity, and average on his best day. TE is definitely a big need.

OLB (one starter, two backups) is at or near the top of our list of needs. It's #1 on the list if you believe Reggie's pre-draft talk.

DT is a curious position. Where will the new staff want Houston? Bryant? Any way you slice it, a pass rusher is needed at DE, as well as a big guy in the middle. I'm pleasantly surprised to know that we're sniffing around Bama's Josh Chapman. That's encouraging. I dig that guy.

The O-line is tentatively set, but I think 2/5 of this group is a stopgap/placeholder only. Bruce Campbell was a wasted pick. Barksdale will prove to be the same. We have no depth behind the 5 starters. That's highly troubling. Taking a lineman there at #95 overall wouldn't be the popular move, but it would make a ton of sense if the value was right.

Gotta have a RB. There's just no way around it. You can't have one injury prone RB being backed up by an even more injury prone runner. Need a guy here who can start when needed. Not if, but when.

Safety depth is nonexistent, and a developmental CB would be a good plan as well.

Honestly, every single position other than punter and kicker can be upgraded. I don't think Reggie should, or will, confine his options to any set position(s).
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Gordon and Ausberry were 6th and 7th round picks, respectively. Fringe roster guys like that should have no bearing on anything. Myers is a known quantity, and average on his best day. TE is definitely a big need.

OLB (one starter, two backups) is at or near the top of our list of needs. It's #1 on the list if you believe Reggie's pre-draft talk.

DT is a curious position. Where will the new staff want Houston? Bryant? Any way you slice it, a pass rusher is needed at DE, as well as a big guy in the middle. I'm pleasantly surprised to know that we're sniffing around Bama's Josh Chapman. That's encouraging. I dig that guy.

The O-line is tentatively set, but I think 2/5 of this group is a stopgap/placeholder only. Bruce Campbell was a wasted pick. Barksdale will prove to be the same. We have no depth behind the 5 starters. That's highly troubling. Taking a lineman there at #95 overall wouldn't be the popular move, but it would make a ton of sense if the value was right.

Gotta have a RB. There's just no way around it. You can't have one injury prone RB being backed up by an even more injury prone runner. Need a guy here who can start when needed. Not if, but when.

Safety depth is nonexistent, and a developmental CB would be a good plan as well.

Honestly, every single position other than punter and kicker can be upgraded. I don't think Reggie should, or will, confine his options to any set position(s).
Nice write up on Oakland's needs. I am working on a 7 rounder and for Oakland's first pick (in the third round) I gave them Lucas Nix. I figured they needed a versatile guy who could play guard or potentially right tackle.

I am interested to see what the new regime does with the QB situation. I don't think they will try to develop Pryor much, they will probably stay with Palmer for the next couple years and draft someone once they have another first round pick (I think 2014).
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Nice write up on Oakland's needs. I am working on a 7 rounder and for Oakland's first pick (in the third round) I gave them Lucas Nix. I figured they needed a versatile guy who could play guard or potentially right tackle.

I am interested to see what the new regime does with the QB situation. I don't think they will try to develop Pryor much, they will probably stay with Palmer for the next couple years and draft someone once they have another first round pick (I think 2014).
They probably will have a first rounder in 2013.
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They probably will have a first rounder in 2013.
I just went back and revisited the trade. You are correct - A 2012 first rounder and a 2013 second rounder that can be escalated to a first if the Raiders win a playoff game.
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I just went back and revisited the trade. You are correct - A 2012 first rounder and a 2013 second rounder that can be escalated to a first if the Raiders win a playoff game.
Raiders must make the AFC Title game for it to become a 1st actually.
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Raiders must make the AFC Title game for it to become a 1st actually.
Both explanations are spread far and wide. I've given up on trying to know for sure. I don't really care anymore.

We've got totally different offensive and defensive schemes, a totally new coaching staff other than a pair of offensive assistants. We also have no useful depth anywhere. We're not going to the conference title game this year. Very seriously doubt we'll make the playoffs. Safe bet we'll only owe Cinci a 2nd round pick.
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Nice write up on Oakland's needs. I am working on a 7 rounder and for Oakland's first pick (in the third round) I gave them Lucas Nix. I figured they needed a versatile guy who could play guard or potentially right tackle.

I am interested to see what the new regime does with the QB situation. I don't think they will try to develop Pryor much, they will probably stay with Palmer for the next couple years and draft someone once they have another first round pick (I think 2014).
Palmer is definitely the short term guy. Two years, maybe four. Hard to say.

Pryor...I can't imagine them bothering with him much. I'm sure they'll work with him and try to make him viable, but I don't like his chances. I really wish he were more open to the idea of playing receiver.

Look for a late round pick this year to be spent on a QB if we don't add one in free agency. Reggie has repeatedly held up the Packer model of team building as the method he swears by. The Packers draft a lotta QBs. I think we'll make a point of grabbing a developmental guy late.

I would have liked to have picked up a veteran by now, but that's looking increasingly unlikely. Matt Leinart is still lurking out there, and he does know (assuming he actually studied) the offense we'll be putting in. But, honestly, Leinart, Vince Young, Dennis Dixon...I'd rather grab a rookie at this point.
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Giving up a 1st rd pick for Palmer was rape, giving up another 1st or 2nd was a gang rape. No doubt Mike Brown felt bad about the abuse so he hired Hue as an assistant.
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Yeah, I think we've established that.
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