The Jack Lambert Appreciation Thread - Page 3

bearsfan_51 · 03-29-2007, 04:47 PM

You guys have a really warped idea of what most feminists are like. In fact, I would argue that about 80-85% of the population of the U.S, as ignorant as it is, are feminists. It just gets a bad rep because of the way it's portrayed.

In regards to physical abuse, women that cause physical harm to their partners are equally prosecuted. The fact is that most men will not report that out of embaressment because of how macho our society is. It's the same thing with cases of underage sex. It's not women that aren't equally prosecuting it, in fact they are much more virulent, it's men that think 30 year old women that sleep with 14 year old boys are "cool".

The Unseen · 03-29-2007, 04:48 PM

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Not to seem overly assholeish, but this whole idea of feminism is amusing to me. What I'm about to say isn't something I openly advocate. Just pointing out some inconsistencies.

If everybody wants women to be viewed as men's "equals," yet they want more severe punishments for hitting a woman instead of a man.

Also, in order to get a job as, say, a police officer, one must pass a variety a physical tests. The qualifications for women are far, far easier than those that men are forced to pass.

If feminists are really clamoring for equality, then it should be equality throughout everything. Is it really fair to let women pick and choose the parts that they want to be equal, and then use the rest to their advantage?

QFT.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

The Unseen · 03-29-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

You guys have a really warped idea of what most feminists are like. In fact, I would argue that about 80-85% of the population of the U.S, as ignorant as it is, are feminists. It just gets a bad rep because of the way it's portrayed.

Then you're warping the definition of feminism. I believe it is understood when you mean "feminist" that you mean someone who emphasizes women's rights and actively tries to advance such. The 80-85% percent who you are talking about are people off the street who say "Yeah, I'm for women's rights." They don't count in the traditional definition.

Eh, we really shouldn't be talking about this, but I had to take a stab...

njx9 · 03-29-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

You guys have a really warped idea of what most feminists are like. In fact, I would argue that about 80-85% of the population of the U.S, as ignorant as it is, are feminists. It just gets a bad rep because of the way it's portrayed.

qft.

feminism - The view, articulated in the 19th century, that women are inherently equal to men and deserve equal rights and opportunities

feminism, at its root, has nothing to do with bra-burning or man-hating. that stereotype is about as useful as believing that all black people are criminals.

regardless.

bearsfan_51 · 03-29-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unseen

Then you're warping the definition of feminism. I believe it is understood when you mean "feminist" that you mean someone who emphasizes women's rights and actively tries to advance such. The 80-85% percent who you are talking about are people off the street who say "Yeah, I'm for women's rights." They don't count in the traditional definition.

Eh, we really shouldn't be talking about this, but I had to take a stab...

No, you just don't understand what the traditional definition is. You can't take a stab at me. Not when it comes to this.

And I would say that 80-85% of people do empathize (I'm guessing that is what you meant) with the fact that women are still paid less and are less likely to recieve promotions than men are. Whether or not they are actively trying to change that is another story. I'm very strongly against genocide, that doesn't mean I'm going to Sudan anytime soon.

njx9 · 03-29-2007, 04:57 PM

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At the same time, though, the run-n-shoot offense should have been ideal for a back like Barry, as it spreads the defense out and opens up huge cutback lanes.

i think, had the lions had the proper personnel to run the system, that would've been true. sometimes it was true and he had some room, which is why i think his running style worked. but sometimes the defense was able to close in, knowing that neither rodney peete nor andre ware was going to be able to execute the offense in any marginal way.

someone447 · 03-29-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

No, you just don't understand what the traditional definition is. You can't take a stab at me. Not when it comes to this.

And I would say that 80-85% of people do empathize (I'm guessing that is what you meant) with the fact that women are still paid less and are less likely to recieve promotions than men are. Whether or not they are actively trying to change that is another story. I'm very strongly against genocide, that doesn't mean I'm going to Sudan anytime soon.

There is a legitimate reason that women are paid less and promoted less then men. It is a proven fact that women take more time off work(granted it is maternity leave) then men do. It is also proven that women are in lower paying professions on average. Doctors, Lawyers, etc are all primarily men. Teachers are primarily women. Notice why the average amount a woman makes is less?

Women 25 years of age and over have been with their current employer 4.4 years, on average, compared to 5.0 years for men.

Women are also more likely to work part-time. In 2000, one-quarter of all women employees worked part-time, compared to less than 10 percent of men.

Among people ages 27 to 33 who have never had a child, women's earnings approach 98 percent of men's. So fine, there is a VERY slight difference when everything is equal.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba392/

You guys are using different definitions of feminism. BF51, you are using the traditional definition. Feminism hasn't been run by traditional feminists since probably before the 70's. If you ask someone what they consider feminism, the VAST majority would talk about the bra burning feminists, or feminazi's. The feminazi's are a plague on the traditional notion of feminism, which in itself is a good thing. But once you start getting the women who want men to be discriminated against, is where you have a problem.

Stoner, that is exactly how I feel. If women want completely equal rights, sign up with selective services. There are some things that men are better at then women, period. Physical activities for one. Make all those jobs have the same criteria for men and women. I'll take your example of firefighters. I want to know that if I am unconcious in a burning building, EVERY SINGLE ONE of those firefighters are able to carry me out. If a woman has to meet lower standards, those standards better still be enough to carry an almost 200 lb man out of a burning building if the job so requires.

Sanders had a mediocre, at best, offensive line during his entire career. Not to mention, he was on the most inept franchise in league history.