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Old 04-11-2012, 09:50 PM    (permalink
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Cleveland traded the 6th pick to Atlanta last year for the 27th pick last year. Atlanta gave up two 1sts, two 4ths and a 2nd to make the deal. If Cleveland offers something similar to move up to 7th selection, to take Tannehill (if they pass on him at 4) give up say a 1st (22), 3rd (67) and 4th (100) and 2013 1st round pick, would Jacksonville take it? It's a long way to drop, but it could be worth it in the long run. What do you guys think?
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Cleveland traded the 6th pick to Atlanta last year for the 27th pick last year. Atlanta gave up two 1sts, two 4ths and a 2nd to make the deal. If Cleveland offers something similar to move up to 7th selection, to take Tannehill (if they pass on him at 4) give up say a 1st (22), 3rd (67) and 4th (100) and 2013 1st round pick, would Jacksonville take it? It's a long way to drop, but it could be worth it in the long run. What do you guys think?
This scenario has been discussed for months on the Jaguars.com message board and is very popular with the Jags fans. If the Browns want Tannehill that bad I would be very surprised if the Jaguars did not jump at the deal.
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Not going to happen.

Think of it this way. Say the Browns take Tannehill at 4, would the Browns trade up 2 firsts, a 3rd, and a 4th for a RB or a WR in this class?

If they want Tannehill, they should take him at 4 and take a WR/RB later. The dropoff between Richardson/Blackmon and a 3rd rounder isn't worth that.
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Why would Jacksonville trade up? They have looked into so many prospects and have interest in an array of areas, they are just going to sit still and see what falls to them.

I'm convinced they are targeting Poe, Brockers, or Coples, but also wouldn't be surprised if they went Blackmon or Floyd. I also know they've shown a good amount of interest in Vinny Curry...
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Why would Jacksonville trade up?
Cleveland has 2 firsts. He's asking about Cleveland trading their second first to Jacksonville's spot. Jacksonville is trading down in this situation.
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Cleveland has 2 firsts. He's asking about Cleveland trading their second first to Jacksonville's spot. Jacksonville is trading down in this situation.
Thank you for clarifying.
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cleveland takes weeden with the 22nd pick
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I think KC is a more realistic option. They'd only be moving up 4 spots and I think with the lack of separation between the prospects once you get past the top 5 or 6, I think a team might even be able to get a deal done for less than what the trade value chart says it should cost.
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I think KC is a more realistic option. They'd only be moving up 4 spots and I think with the lack of separation between the prospects once you get past the top 5 or 6, I think a team might even be able to get a deal done for less than what the trade value chart says it should cost.
I don't see KC trading up for Tannehill. Its not the Patriot/Pioli way to trade up.
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I don't see KC trading up for Tannehill. Its not the Patriot/Pioli way to trade up.
The Pats traded up in 2006 from 52 to 36 to get Chad Jackson. And QB's are an excepetion to all rules in the NFL. If Pioli and co feel Tannehill can be a franchise QB then they could look to trade up (it would cost a 3rd and 6th to go from 11 to 7 and get in front of Miami).
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I might can see that happening. All Jacksonville is after is a good pass-rusher or WR. Both can be found at #22.
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I think Cleveland waits on there QB. Osweiler is my guess.
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I think we will wait on our QB..but hopefully not Osweiller..he's gonna be awful..
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This whole thread makes me want to vomit. descendency hit it on the head in responding to the OP. If we want Tannehill, take him at 4 and draft a skill player at 22.

Why trade 22 and a future first to get Tannehill and say take Blackmon at 4, when people can't even decide if Blackmon can be a true #1 WR at the next level?

Hopefully all this is moot however, as I hate the idea of taking Tannehill so high just because he's the next best QB and we have a need. It doesn't make him worth the draft slot.

Also, the comment about Weeden at 22 makes me want to drown puppies...


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Jacksonville should take Tannehill. God damn Gabbert sucks.
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This whole thread makes me want to vomit. descendency hit it on the head in responding to the OP. If we want Tannehill, take him at 4 and draft a skill player at 22.

Why trade 22 and a future first to get Tannehill and say take Blackmon at 4, when people can't even decide if Blackmon can be a true #1 WR at the next level?

Hopefully all this is moot however, as I hate the idea of taking Tannehill so high just because he's the next best QB and we have a need. It doesn't make him worth the draft slot.

Also, the comment about Weeden at 22 makes me want to drown puppies...

You need to lighten up. The Browns organization should make you want to drown puppies.
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What if Cleveland is able to leverage themselves as liking RB Trent Richardson, then sending the pick to St. Louis and picking up an extra pick? Could still come away with a WR, OT, and RB in the first two rounds. Not to mention someone to back up Colt McCoy and possibly replace him if necessary?

I only bring this up because Fischer is predominately a run-first kinda guy, and I hear he really likes Richardson.
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Jacksonville should take Tannehill. God damn Gabbert sucks.
Not sure i'd replace one B-12 QB with limited success and a lot of question marks for another with pretty much the same history. Probably a good way to get your GM fired.
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I agree, not going to happen. As much as the Browns love to have more picks, this year I just don't see them moving. Although they do have plenty of options at #4, I see them staying put and deciding between Richardson and Blackmon. Personally, I think Richardson in their guy.
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If the Browns liked Tannehill that much they would just take him at #4.
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What if Cleveland is able to leverage themselves as liking RB Trent Richardson, then sending the pick to St. Louis and picking up an extra pick? Could still come away with a WR, OT, and RB in the first two rounds. Not to mention someone to back up Colt McCoy and possibly replace him if necessary?

I only bring this up because Fischer is predominately a run-first kinda guy, and I hear he really likes Richardson.
Someone the Rams can use will fall to them with the sixth pick, whether it's Blackmon, Richardson, or Claiborne. Sacrificing a pick to trade up two spots makes little sense for the Rams when they need all the help they can get.

As for the Browns/Jags trade, it seems pretty laughable to me. If Cleveland wants Tannehill, they'll take him at four, as others have pointed out. Using one pick to select him @ 4 makes more sense than using multiple picks to take him @ 7.
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Tony Grossi thinks that Weeden is the QB they're targeting. If so, I sure hope to God that they don't take him with 22.....use that pick on a good player and waste 37 on Weeden if they're gonna waste a pick. Be like the Bengals last year with Dalton and let the draft come to then. No one between picks 22 and 37 will take Weeden and I doubt anyone would trade up for him.
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When asked today How could the Browns possibly screw this up, Mel Kiper says "By taking Tannehill at #4."

Not saying Mel should always have the last word, but I strangely agree with him. The consensus is that Tannehill needs to sit & learn somewhere, his lack of experience begs for OJT.

Someone may get all jizzy over Tannehill & bet the ranch on trading up for him though. If Cleveland takes him he gets thrown to the wolves as rookie cannon fodder, Colt McCoy can't withstand another season of getting beaten up like last yr.

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its more likely that Miami trades up to the no.3 to grab Tannehill then Cleveland taking Richardson/Blackmon with the no.4 and then trading back into the top 10 for Tannehill.

although if that happens, St.Louis has to call Cleveland to see what the asking price for trading up to the no.4 would be, since Kalil would still be on the board. Rams would have taken him with the no.2 if they had stayed.
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