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Old 08-03-2012, 11:06 AM    (permalink
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:15 AM    (permalink
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:16 AM    (permalink
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I think I'll ask if it will be 'truly random' before I play in future games. Otherwise I'm voting to lynch Jbond Day 1 every time.
I am up for this regardless.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:43 PM    (permalink
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Alright... since Grizz didn't explain it all that well. Anyone who thinks its unfair that we occasionally tweak some of the roles has benefited from it one way or another. Not to mention we do it because of you guys.

We build these games to be fun and balanced but if the Town is all "elite" players and the Mafia are new guys or inactives the game is not going to function.

In my games I always randomize first. Depending on the layout at that point I tweak. People in the last couple games that have been constant inactives or always late on getting their action in might get swapped out of a power role. I might then slot in an ATL or a Bulldogs who doesn't play when they are a townie.

Other times there might be a situation where JBond comes up mafia... but since JBond is the early game nightly local hangout EVERY SINGLE GAME I might make him the Godfather. (Which is exactly what happened in DDN)

There are other times where I have delayed opening games so that maybe one of the Europeans or the Aussies don't instantly get outed as having a power role.

The fact is again we do this because of you guys for you guys. I could give two ***** if Shane, Gonzo, Caddy, Bulldogs, Vidae or anyone else is a power role but don't ***** when you constantly are one of the ones messing up the balance and then you don't see a power role until you show that you are actually going to play.

We do what we do to keep the game balanced and because some of you are divas or hold grudges we have to do what we can to balance that.
So what if we think we may have benefited in one game? That almost certainly means someone was disbenefited, for quite an unfair reason. And that's the whole argument. Someone personally benefiting doesn't make it a fair situation.

And why are we letting constant inactives play? This isn't a children's playground, we don't have to let everyone participate. If someone is so routinely inactive that the game has to be altered around them, I don't see why they are being included in the first place. I had to remove Rufus from my game because of his work schedule, and I don't even consider Rufus an overall inactive or bad player.

Also, why do you think Shane is what he is now? It seems apparent to me that he was considered a good player by the mod, so when they were altering lineups, he was always a prime candidate to take over a power role. So I think the very problem that tinkering supposedly fixes, it actually also creates. And people should not be rewarded at all for bitching that they are a townie. Either don't include them if they play like that, or modkill/replace them later on.

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Not to come off like an asshole, but a few of you are modding now and you've done it once and the games went pretty smooth, but eventually with an all random game you'll see the problems that arise.

And you're not forced to play in any game, so bitching about how a particular mod runs his game makes no sense.
Perhaps in the future yes, but this fact has only come out now. So everyone has played in numerous of these mod games under the assumption that roles were randomized, and now we know different. There is perfect reason to complain.

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And that right there is EXACTLY why those of us who tweak do it in the first place.

You put a lot of time and effort into setting up the game, balancing it to the best of your ability and putting a lot of thought into everything....only to end up with a ****** player arrangement that will end the game in no time.

I don't mean to pick on anyone either, but certain people in certain combinations are a death knell to their side. I don't create games just to see a curb stomp victory.
I don't really like this at all. This genuinely is scripting a game to flow how you want it to, which is not what a mod should do, IMO. Obviously a mod wants their game to be the greatest one ever played, but when they mod it, they have to release it and just let it play out. Sometimes you aren't going to get a perfect game, sometimes the mafia is going to cruise to victory, sometimes the town is. So what? Not every game needs to be perfect.

If you don't think a player is competent, don't include them. When Snicho and SP were in the mafia in the Community game, they weren't at all the reason the mafia ended up the way it did. If people need to be disbarred from certain roles, they probably shouldn't be playing anyways. Otherwise they should keep the role randomly assigned to them.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:44 PM    (permalink
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But any idea when the thread might open up?
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:48 PM    (permalink
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Hopefully soon, it's been long enough it should be open.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:11 PM    (permalink
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How much longer gtdamn
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:28 PM    (permalink
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I don't mind a little bit of non-random action, but I don't like the bolded part. You are basically rewarding people who ***** and moan about not having a power role.

I've never complained about my role. The mods just want to see my awesome play. Can't blame them. I AM THE GOAT.

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I'll turn on you like the rest of them Gonzo.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:31 PM    (permalink
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:07 PM    (permalink
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Didn't even let me fall on my own sword, how rude. You Americans are pompous pricks :-P
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:14 PM    (permalink
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Hurry up and submit your Mafia action already, cigaro. Some of us want to start the new day as quick as possible.
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Figures I'd die on the day I have the most time to spend on the thread. My 2 watches were already used though. Got nothing from the first watch, though. Good game. Wish I could have been more active.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:19 PM    (permalink
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John Wilkes Booth huh Broth?

And I hate your guts Cigaro.
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Brody you missed my post lol
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Question to mods: What's more annoying quoting votes or editing the quoted vote out?
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I don't know why people don't just change the b to an s and have the vote struck out.
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Long forgotten rule states that you aren't supposed to quote the mod ever, so that would clear that up.

I just dislike quoted votes because if I need to catch up on a few pages of votes, say from overnight, I just scan and count. It's easy to count a quoted vote twice or something.
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Shouldn't take long, I think only a few people still have night actions anyways
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Rufus, reveal yourself!
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