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Old 04-22-2012, 09:22 PM    (permalink
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seattle? i always thought they had a very good fan base and a kick ass stadium
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seattle? i always thought they had a very good fan base and a kick ass stadium
They do. They wouldn't move from Seattle. They would just join another division. It's happened before as they used to be in the AFC (although that was a conference change more-so).
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I disagree, the CFL is viewed by Torontonians as minor league football and Toronto is too cosmopolitan to watch it. The Blue Jays had 4 million fans a year attend their games till a Belgian Brewery bought the team and cut the payroll by 75 million dollars. Torontonians won't accept a franchise that doesn't try to win.
since when does spending money automatically mean a team can win? look at the Mets and the Cubs as the perfect examples of teams that spend over $100+ million annually with nothing to show for it year after year. the Red Sox ($173 million) and Angels ($154 million) are in the top 5 for highest payroll in MLB for 2012, and theyre both bottom dwellers of their divisions. its not about how much money you spend, its about how well you spend what you money have.

last year, the Rays had the second lowest payroll ($41 million) and still made the playoffs, as well as the Diamondbacks ($53 million), despite also being in the bottom 5 in payroll. and the Brewers ($84 million) and Rangers ($92 million) had sub-$100 million payrolls. this idea that if you dont spend 9 figures in salaries means youre not trying to win is ridiculous.

the Blue Jays have a payroll of $75 million for 2012, which is respectable. but more importantly, they have great hitting, pitching, and the minor league depth to withstand injuries to starters. im calling it now, just 15 games into the season, that the Blue Jays make the playoffs this year.
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Toronto sports fans are known for being bandwagoners. Very little support is given to their team unless it is successful.

Also the Bills haven't had a winning record, and haven't made the playoffs in a while now. You're bringing in a franchise that will be looked at by Toronto sports fans as a loser.
did you read the article i posted? Southern Ontario has already surpassed Rochester as the number 1 secondary market for the Bills. clearly Canadians are capable of supporting an NFL team even when it loses.
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Just a quick update.

The stadium bill has passed through committees & will reach the House & Senate floors Monday. The current legislation session ends Monday night/Tuesday morning at midnight.

The addition of a "racino" & an extension of gambling as a/the main public funding source may make it difficult to get passed. Some people are against gambling as the main source of funding even though it really is a "voluntary" tax, as it were.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...y-105-million/

Chance of Vikings bolting for LA in light of this? 99%.

Minnesota politicians really don't want the Vikings around. They'll end up having to kick in 90% of the funding for a really nice stadium before they get their next team, just like Baltimore did.

Pay 50% now or pay virtually all of it later when the pissed off Minnesotans elect new congressmen...
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These rumours come up every year. Eventually, some team with a rotten owner who doesn't know squat about building a franchise and consistently hires the wrong people, will move to LA but nobody knows which team or when the dirty deed will take place.
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I've always assumed that we are not too far away from a team moving to LA and at least the Bills landing in Canada. I think the Canadians would definitely respond to having an NFL team, the Bills have had a lot of support up there when they have played games, and it really isn't that big of a move for them.

League will be weird without a team in Minnesota, but it appears they are the team going to LA.
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good, **** the owners. they want a new stadium? they can buy the bloody thing. if bowlen decided mile high wasn't good enough again, i'd tell him to pound sand and enjoy LA.
Sure. Then he'd go to LA and when you guys had a decade to miss having a team of your own, you'd shell out way more to build a stadium to attract someone else's team.

As long as there's always one major metro area without a franchise, there's always going to be a city out there willing to hand an NFL team a stadium.

As far as I'm concerned, Illinois can kick in 75% of the money to build a retractable dome at 35th & Shields after another 15 years or so at that miniature abomination on the lakefront. There's no excuse for Chicago to have the smallest capacity of any NFL stadium.


Chicagoans who were polled approved of this thing by a 2-1 margin over what happened to Soldier Field. It was cheaper than the renovation, it was easier to get to, and it had better parking. The crappy new Soldier Field was shoved down everyone's throat instead. Hopefully we build it the next time the subject comes up.
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Stadium bill passes in the house, which was supposed to be the biggest hurdle.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-stadium-bill/
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Stadium bill passes in the house, which was supposed to be the biggest hurdle.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-stadium-bill/
The new "biggest hurdle" is that they amended it to make the deal unacceptable for the Vikings.

The Vikes are leaving.
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They added the amendment but that doesn't mean that's what will end up in the final package.
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They added the amendment but that doesn't mean that's what will end up in the final package.
To change the package it has to go right back through the same people who just barely passed it with the new, crappy amendment.

What's going to make them say "lol, just kidding about that" and change it back?
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To change the package it has to go right back through the same people who just barely passed it with the new, crappy amendment.

What's going to make them say "lol, just kidding about that" and change it back?

The bill is going to the senate tomorrow, who can make their own amendments and pass their own version of the bill. The bill then goes to a committee to come up with a compromised version. The amendment is still very much open to discussion, according to literally everyone I've been following with knowledge of the situation.
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Less than a year ago. Not even close to a bold prediction. Everyone knew they were the most likely team.

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The bill is going to the senate tomorrow, who can make their own amendments and pass their own version of the bill. The bill then goes to a committee to come up with a compromised version. The amendment is still very much open to discussion, according to literally everyone I've been following with knowledge of the situation.
Yeah, but even if the Senate passes it through with the amount the Vikes agreed on and if the committee agrees with that (they can just kill it and not even allow a second House vote), it still has to pass through the House again...so, like I said...those guys who just refused to pass it under the conditions the Vikings and NFL agreed to have to change their minds. There's no end-around to pass it without them voting on it again.

What the stupid Minnesota House is doing is trying to get the Vikings to leave but with the representatives to be able to say "oh, yeah, well, we passed the bill and they still left! They're the bad guys!"

This is like the leaders of the House and the Governor agreeing to sell you a car for $1000 and then bickering about how much to raise the price on you afterward. In any case, you (the Vikings) are going to go buy the car from the guy in LA who isn't dicking you around.

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Think they will rebrand them like the Ravens/Titans or just move them like the Rams/Raiders
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hopefully they just move them.
While it would be easier, I think that the Vikings really fit/represented the demographic of Minnesota: Up north, cold, snowy; not really things in sunny LA. I know it isn't like that with all teams, but I would like to see the team go through a little change to fit the area that they are in.
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I would imagine there would probably be some re-branding. The LA vikings just doesn't make sense. Of course, neither do the LA lakers.
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I think they'd be better off letting Minnesota hang onto the "Vikings" stuff for the future. LA could so something the people would get behind a lot easier.

I'm thinking "The LA Earthquake." Where other teams have specially-named seating sections (i.e. Dawg Pound), they could have "The Fault Line."

Or they could play it really safe; "LA Knights" with a straight rip-off of USC's colors in an attempt to tag along with the Trojans' popularity. We already know that the Knight imagery works well for football logos.







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Gonna be honest, those are pretty bad.

Sound like AFL names.
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Yeah, but even if the Senate passes it through with the amount the Vikes agreed on and if the committee agrees with that (they can just kill it and not even allow a second House vote), it still has to pass through the House again...so, like I said...those guys who just refused to pass it under the conditions the Vikings and NFL agreed to have to change their minds. There's no end-around to pass it without them voting on it again.

What the stupid Minnesota House is doing is trying to get the Vikings to leave but with the representatives to be able to say "oh, yeah, well, we passed the bill and they still left! They're the bad guys!"

This is like the leaders of the House and the Governor agreeing to sell you a car for $1000 and then bickering about how much to raise the price on you afterward. In any case, you (the Vikings) are going to go buy the car from the guy in LA who isn't dicking you around.

They don't have to agree on the same amount, just a different, compromised one. The senate just agreed on a 25 million dollar increase for the Vikings. It's up to the committee to come up with a compromised amount acceptable to both. Is 75 million a pretty big difference? Sure, but that's the point of conference committees, to iron out differences. It's not the done deal you're making it seem to be. You're the only one saying that, and it's the opposite of what the actual experts are saying.
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Saw some earlier posts about what division the Vikings would go to. My feelling is that the NFL is so damn popular now they don't really need the old school rivalries anymore.

I'm a Cowboys fan and I loved the Redskins/Eagles/Giants games but they have no business being in the NFC East. It would be better for fans who want to travel (more) to have geographically closer division opponents. It would also cut down travel expenses for the teams creating an even bigger profit margin for the NFL.
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