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Old 04-26-2012, 01:38 PM    (permalink
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names being thrown out for a possible trade up to 12: chandler jones, mark barron, and local boy luke kuechly
Kuechly isn't a name I've associated with the Pats at all.
As for the trade up ... doesn't this happen every year? We're always rumored to be moving up? I'd be really surprised.

Kuechly, Curry and some random DB wouldn't be a bad haul though
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Kuechly isn't a name I've associated with the Pats at all.
As for the trade up ... doesn't this happen every year? We're always rumored to be moving up? I'd be really surprised.

Kuechly, Curry and some random DB wouldn't be a bad haul though
he'd be a great fit in our 4-2-5 defense
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What a weird thing. I leave for a few months and we're talking somewhat seriously about trading up. Weird.

Anywho, I've been more than out of the loop a little bit, but I have to say I'm sort of glad Chandler Jones isn't looking like a realistic possibility. I did some extremely preliminary work on him before he rose up the way he did and liked what I saw. I wouldn't mind taking a shot on him in the late first round if he fell there...but moving up for him just scares me a little bit.

I like his physical profile a whole ton though. If there's one thing I've learned about defensive ends over the years, it's that guys with length and athleticism tend to figure it out more often than not. Still, the Ayers factor is pretty high there.

One thing I'm really not enjoying hearing about that may be somewhat realistic is taking Lavonte David with one of our first round picks. I like the guy as a spark plug type player in a pure 4-3...but I don't think he's a real good fit here or a real sure bet to be the type of player you get value for in the late 1st/early 2nd range. We need players who change things dramatically on defense. You can find a guy to play the type of role David would here in free agency or later in the draft.
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Kuechly would be fine by me. He's a guy who could legitimately improve every set of our defense including our base and our nickel. If we're running a 3-4 we could conceivably bump Spikes down to OLB for early downs, or in a 4-3 have Kuechly as the mike, Mayo as the Will, and Spikes as the SAM. I think it's 100% a smokescreen, but if the Pats were to ever trade up for a guy it would be a Kuechly type.

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What a weird thing. I leave for a few months and we're talking somewhat seriously about trading up. Weird.

Anywho, I've been more than out of the loop a little bit, but I have to say I'm sort of glad Chandler Jones isn't looking like a realistic possibility. I did some extremely preliminary work on him before he rose up the way he did and liked what I saw. I wouldn't mind taking a shot on him in the late first round if he fell there...but moving up for him just scares me a little bit.

I like his physical profile a whole ton though. If there's one thing I've learned about defensive ends over the years, it's that guys with length and athleticism tend to figure it out more often than not. Still, the Ayers factor is pretty high there.

One thing I'm really not enjoying hearing about that may be somewhat realistic is taking Lavonte David with one of our first round picks. I like the guy as a spark plug type player in a pure 4-3...but I don't think he's a real good fit here or a real sure bet to be the type of player you get value for in the late 1st/early 2nd range. We need players who change things dramatically on defense. You can find a guy to play the type of role David would here in free agency or later in the draft.
I wouldn't be down for trading significantly up for C. Jones either. I like McClellin more on tape, but give the edge to Jones because I've learned my lesson of bypassing on physically talented DE's. I don't really dig a trade up for anyone unless it's a couple spots for Brockers or Jones, and generally prefer a trade back at 31.

I'm ok with David, Kendricks, or Wagner just not with one of the top 2 picks. We definitely could use another coverage LBer who doesn't embarrass the unit when he's out there. I just think there are other spots we could address high with better values like G, DB, or WR with the first round picks.
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I wouldn't mind Kendricks. I've always been pretty high on him. Great functional strength, a good understanding of leverage, and can do a whole ton of different things. Always liked the guy, even before the impressive 40 time. I'm not sure how much he helps us in coverage though. Not the most fluid guy in the world.
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Dueling NFLN reporters apparently.

Not too much longer now. From every thing I've read, there's something to not like about many of the prospects. Should make for many surprises (and a long night for those waiting for the end of the round picks.)
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I just can't buy us trading up like that. I would laugh pretty hard if we do though, especially for a projection player like Chandler Jones.

One thing I have liked that's materialized in my absence is the Trumaine Johnson talk. Sounds like we may talk him earlier than we should, but I'm sick for tall press corners. Doesn't hurt that he projects pretty well for safety either.
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Johnson's scouting notes (if accurate) don't sound promising though. Entitlement attitude, etc. A guy like that doesn't sound like he would fare well here (see Chad Jackson.)
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The character element does scare me more than a little bit, yeah. We didn't seem all that eager to take Jimmy Smith last year in spite of him being a tick or two above Dowling as a prospect, so that certainly could play a factor. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I haven't heard a whole lot of CONCRETE stuff either way on his football character. Certainly don't like the arrest(which was quite ugly by the sounds of it), but I do like the skill set quite a bit.

...but in the end, drafting a defensive back still scares the ever living **** out of me. At least we've progressed from trying to amass an army of nickel corners.
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Here is where I found some notes.

I have DB bust syndrome myself. 14, 14 DBs drafted during the BB era. Erg.
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i would love to trade up to 15, right in front of the NYJ, and snag a pass rusher they were having an eye on. that would be awesome, but highly unlikely
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Every year there are players that I feel like no matter what else the Pats do, I'd be happy if they can just get at least one of these handful of guys. These are those guys for me this year (in no particular order):

Dont'a Hightower
Devon Still
Jerel Worthy
Michael Brockers
Vinny Curry
Brandon Boykin
Juron Criner
Any of the Arkansas WR's
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Dre Kirkpatrick
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draft time guys, lets try to keep all the draft chatter here in this thread!
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Some pretty big surprises in the first three picks.
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Richardson going to the Browns kills my dream of the Jets trading up for him.

*Not like it was a surprise but still*
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Well, we know we aren't trading up for Mark Barron now at least.
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Wish Kuechly the best of luck in Carolina. Beason and him are going to be something to watch.
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We can still get Chandler Jones. Do it, BB. Although he's probably more inclined to trade up for Brockers.
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Panthers take Kuechly. Looks like the Bills might take a corner. It's not going to happen, but I would be thrilled if we managed to land one Cox, Brockers, or Poe.
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With the Dallas trade up it's becoming more likely that one of them could fall
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Predictable, but sucks a little bit. Drives up Brockers and Cox's value...and now it looks like Cox is gone. Damn.
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I stand corrected
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Panthers take Kuechly. Looks like the Bills might take a corner. It's not going to happen, but I would be thrilled if we managed to land one Cox, Brockers, or Poe.
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****. Well, bring on undersized linebackers and mediocre nickelbacks then :/
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