OTA's/Mini Camp/Training Camp pics Thread

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by Brown Leader

Brandon Weeden

Still laughing!!

[tmljeh19]

Originally Posted by Monomach

Go rent the original "Brian's Song." In the scene where they're weighing in, it has a 28 year old Dick Butkus in his physical prime. 6'3", 245 lbs...So about the perfect size for a 4-3 MLB today. The man had no visible muscles. None.

Linebacker is too reliant on instincts, intelligence, and form for me to worry about a guy's body fat at all. Same for QB. If a guy in one of those two positions has the right brain, he'll succeed as long as he isn't like average-guy-on-the-street fat.

Who gives a flying **** what Butkus looked like 40-50 years ago. The game is so much different now that your argument is asinine. Today's game is all about mesurables and body control. There are VERY few out of shape players who succeed in this game compared to physical freaks who wash out.

[K Train]

out of shape and cut up are completely different things, jared allen isnt a chiseled athlete, on the streets he looks like a tall doofy guy. doesnt stop him from being a monster on the field

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by K Train

out of shape and cut up are completely different things, jared allen isnt a chiseled athlete, on the streets he looks like a tall doofy guy. doesnt stop him from being a monster on the field

Jared Allen is still in good shape for a DE.


Courtney Upshaw right now is out of shape. When you compare what he looked like at Alabama's pro day and his physique at the combine, IMO Upshaw looks at least 10-15# heavier at the Ravens minicamp.

[K Train]

i meant allen isnt out of shape, despite him not being a cut up muscular guy

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by tmljeh19

Who gives a flying **** what Butkus looked like 40-50 years ago. The game is so much different now that your argument is asinine. Today's game is all about mesurables and body control. There are VERY few out of shape players who succeed in this game compared to physical freaks who wash out.

Dick Butkus would still be a pro bowler today. It's not so different that a guy with the appropriate size and out-of-this-world IQ/instincts/meanness/motor couldn't tear it up. There's a world of difference between "out of shape" and "not cut like a man-on-man porn star."

[DoughBoy]

Taylor Thompson- our 6-6 260 pound converted DE to TE with the 4.59 speedz ... was the star of the rookie camp.





Mike Martin- The swoll DT outta Michigan











Markelle Martin-





Kendall Wright





DaJohn Harris



Zach Brown

[TheBoyWonder22]

The Titans rookie class is so dirty!

[Monomach]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...Mike Martin's legs are just ridiculous. Tree trunks.

If I keep this up, I'm going to sound like Rutgers fans talking about Raymell's thighs.

[tmljeh19]

Originally Posted by Monomach

Dick Butkus would still be a pro bowler today. It's not so different that a guy with the appropriate size and out-of-this-world IQ/instincts/meanness/motor couldn't tear it up. There's a world of difference between "out of shape" and "not cut like a man-on-man porn star."

If you think Dick Butkus would walk into the NFL in today's game looking like he did back then you are nuts. You could get away with it back then. Today you can't. Again I'm not talking about him I'm talking about Upshaw. It's a crime to compare to two. If you look at him from his pro day until now he looks heavier. Not a good heavy either. He looks less defined and his stomach has more of a gut then it did before. Coming from a rookie who is now going to be forced into a prime role due to injury it isn't a good sign.

[TACKLE]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Courtney Upshaw right now is out of shape. When you compare what he looked like at Alabama's pro day and his physique at the combine, IMO Upshaw looks at least 10-15# heavier at the Ravens minicamp.

He was 279 at Bama's pro day. I doubt he weighs any more than that now let alone 10-15lbs more.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by TACKLE

He was 279 at Bama's pro day. I doubt he weighs any more than that now let alone 10-15lbs more.

I dunno but he looks heavier to me than he did at Alabama's pro day.

[eaglesalltheway]

Originally Posted by Monomach

I've said it before and I'll say it again...Mike Martin's legs are just ridiculous. Tree trunks.

If I keep this up, I'm going to sound like Rutgers fans talking about Raymell's thighs.

Not that ithis adds anything to any conversation in here, but I'd bet my legs aren't much smaller than his, he's got me beat by a long shot in everything else though, all while being a good 4 or 5 inches taller than me too.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by tmljeh19

Never said I wanted a body builder. Take London Fletcher for example. He isn't chiseled but he isn't soft. He is just a solid spark plug kinda guy. That's what I meant. Upshaw has a gut. Look at the pics it's dead obvious.

Fletcher has a little bit of a gut too. Again, having a gut doesn't mean you can't be a good player in the NFL. And didn't someone just post a photo of Maybin and his six pack abs? Please.

Originally Posted by phlysac

You can't compare generations. Jack Lambert was 6'4" 220.

My point is that if you look at the long list of currently great LBs, few of them could be described as having a soft physique. This isn't rationale for Upshaw having less of a chance to succeed. It's simply recognizing that his physique is the exception.

So you're saying that since Upshaw has a gut, his chances of being a good NFL linebacker are going to be more difficult? Because that is what this entire argument has been about with the other poster being put off because Upshaw doesn't have a ripped six pack, which for some reason in his book = soft. But let's ignore everything else that made him a high value pick.

And I don't see how you can't compare generations. You're saying Singletary wouldn't be a great linebacker in today's NFL?

[FUNBUNCHER]

Upshaw has great intangibles, but at a weight of 270#+, he already had marginal athleticism.

It's about functionality, and Upshaw IMO is a much more dynamic and disruptive player at a lighter weight. The Ravens brought this kid in to play LB and he still looks like a strongside 43 DE.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Upshaw has great intangibles, but at a weight of 270#+, he already had marginal athleticism.

It's about functionality, and Upshaw IMO is a much more dynamic and disruptive player at a lighter weight. The Ravens brought this kid in to play LB and he still looks like a strongside 43 DE.

We'll see. Remember Levon Kirkland? That guy weighed more towards 300 pounds, but was pretty fast for his size. He didn't have a rock solid physique and definitely had a gut. But he was really quick, and definitely not soft. My point is not to judge a book by it's cover. Especially in the NFL. Everyone should know this by now.

[Wootylicous]

Tony Mandarich was so athletic...I agree with Ness don't judge the book by his cover. Upshaw will prove all his doubters wrong.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by Ness

We'll see. Remember Levon Kirkland? That guy weighed more towards 300 pounds, but was pretty fast for his size. He didn't have a rock solid physique and definitely had a gut. But he was really quick, and definitely not soft. My point is not to judge a book by it's cover. Especially in the NFL. Everyone should know this by now.

Kirkland was an ILB who was effective only between the tackles who grew to his abnormal size towards the end of his career. Yes he was a 275# Mike for much his career, but there's a different level of athleticism needed to play OLB.

Lamar Woodley is a better comparison IMO, a soft body, chubby OLB who's still a pro bowl caliber talent.

Maybe Upshaw is that type of athlete. I have no clue.

[K Train]

woodley is a great comparison. weve seen woodley around 260 and probably upwards of 280. he continues to get it done on the field though, despite not being overly fast or athletic hes got a mean bull rush and unreal ability to close in

[Ravens1991]

I think Ushpaw ceiling is woodley but floor is Jarret Johnson with a little better pass rushing

[VernonLawson89]

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[Brothgar]

Originally Posted by VernonLawson89

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[Ness]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Kirkland was an ILB who was effective only between the tackles who grew to his abnormal size towards the end of his career. Yes he was a 275# Mike for much his career, but there's a different level of athleticism needed to play OLB.

Lamar Woodley is a better comparison IMO, a soft body, chubby OLB who's still a pro bowl caliber talent.

Maybe Upshaw is that type of athlete. I have no clue.

If I remember correctly they would still move Kirkland around a lot. Regardless, for his size he had an uncanny quickness.

But really, this entire argument that has since sparked is due to one person's notion that not having a six pack = soft, which quite frankly I find ridiculous.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by Ness

So you're saying that since Upshaw has a gut, his chances of being a good NFL linebacker are going to be more difficult?

The answer to your question was in my post that you quoted.

My point is that if you look at the long list of currently great LBs, few of them could be described as having a soft physique. This isn't rationale for Upshaw having less of a chance to succeed. It's simply recognizing that his physique is the exception.

Originally Posted by Ness

And I don't see how you can't compare generations. You're saying Singletary wouldn't be a great linebacker in today's NFL?

Because physical fitness and supplements have changed by near infinite measures in the last 20-30 years. Again, NOT ONCE have I said there is a direct correlation between physiology and performance. I merely recognize that the "soft" athlete, outside of interior linemen, have become rarer and rarer.

[phlysac]

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