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Old 05-24-2012, 02:53 PM    (permalink
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Meh, Alex was a quarter away from a SB, having really only two legitmate receiving targets and a bunch of pratice squad guys on the outside. All we need is to improve in the red zone and on third downs and the rest will work itself out. I have no doubt the red zone numbers will improve because Alex over last few years has been one of the best QBs in that area up until last year so he has shown ability in that part of the field. 3rd down was as much a personel and coaching problem as it was a QB problem so hopefully we're on the right track with that.
This is all true, but things aren't going to stay the same this year. We won games last year with a stifling, turnover forcing defense, studly special teams, and ball control offense that was clutch in the end. That's not a sustainable formula (especially the +28 TO ratio). We're going to need Alex to convert more third downs, redzone opportunities, and we need more chunk yardage plays. We're going to give him more responsibility and it remains to be seen how he responds. No excuses for him not to as this is a championship caliber team otherwise.
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It's hard being successful in the redzone when you don't have targets on the outside. To be successful in the redzone, you need 2 things:

1. ability to run in the redzone
2. big targets who can keep guys out of the box, 1 on the outside and 1 on the inside.

The 49ers are missing that guy on the outside. So the box gets packed and it's harder to run in the redzone bc they're not afraid of the outside guys getting open down the field in a shorter redzone in 1 on 1 coverage.

When you don't that, it's hard to score, regardless of what plays you call.
I beg to differ. The red zone is a compressed area. One on one the outside rarely means much because few teams are going to man up across the board inside the 20(nor should they). IMO, the red-zone is more so about creating match-ups, scheme and excecution. We've usually been a pretty good red zone team, Alex included, before last year and we didnt have nearly as many weapons on the outside as we have now. That leads me to believe it was more scheme/timing/reps kind of a deal. Jimbaugh had to teach a totally new offense with totally new techniques and discplines. Im sure carving out time for red-zone specific plays and fine tuning those in pratice was few and far between intially. Thats a area of the field where alot reps are needed and chemsitry across the board have to be developed.
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I beg to differ. The red zone is a compressed area. One on one the outside rarely means much because few teams are going to man up across the board inside the 20(nor should they). IMO, the red-zone is more so about creating match-ups, scheme and excecution. We've usually been a pretty good red zone team, Alex included, before last year and we didnt have nearly as many weapons on the outside as we have now. That leads me to believe it was more scheme/timing/reps kind of a deal. Jimbaugh had to teach a totally new offense with totally new techniques and discplines. Im sure carving out time for red-zone specific plays and fine tuning those in pratice was few and far between intially. Thats a area of the field where alot reps are needed and chemsitry across the board have to be developed.
Teams actually play a ton more man coverage in the redzone bc they're not afraid of getting beat deep. You also see a lot more blitzing.

Players make plays man. The windows close a lot faster in the redzone, I bet if we go back and put on the tape we can find someone open on most plays in the redzone and Smith just didn't locate them.
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That's not a knock on Smith btw, that's something that's true in general. When we go back and look at the tape, Im sure you can find someone open on literally almost every play run during a game. The qb just didn't locate them. Some locate open guys more than others, which is why some qbs are better than others.

Which is why you see Coordinators get so mad at fans and the media when we're like "why didn't they do this or that?" bc most of the time they actually did incorporate those concepts but they just didn't work, or the play they called actually was a good play call but wasn't executed properly.

Execution. It's the name of the game.

Every bad run was the result of a bad block, or a bad decision by the RB. Every bad pass play was bc of the qb not identifying the open man, or a guy ran the wrong route, or a guy didn't release properly etc.

Execution. Nobody ever designed a play that was designed to not work.

My main beef with play callers is that some refuse to adjust to their players. Thats when I have a problem.
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This is all true, but things aren't going to stay the same this year. We won games last year with a stifling, turnover forcing defense, studly special teams, and ball control offense that was clutch in the end. That's not a sustainable formula (especially the +28 TO ratio). We're going to need Alex to convert more third downs, redzone opportunities, and we need more chunk yardage plays. We're going to give him more responsibility and it remains to be seen how he responds. No excuses for him not to as this is a championship caliber team otherwise.
Yes, we most definitely need to get more out of our quarterback position if we expect to be in the playoffs year after year. I highly doubt the defense plays like it did last year where we had an insane amount of turnovers. We have a much harder schedule coming up including the Saints, Patriots, and Packers all on the road. Alex needs to step it up.

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Teams actually play a ton more man coverage in the redzone bc they're not afraid of getting beat deep. You also see a lot more blitzing.

Players make plays man. The windows close a lot faster in the redzone, I bet if we go back and put on the tape we can find someone open on most plays in the redzone and Smith just didn't locate them.
To be fair, our offense line isn't the best in the world. In pass protection last year at least. And I remember our talent in the redzone just wasn't that great to begin with. Even outside the redzone, Crabtree, Williams, and Ginn were our top three receivers last season. Not exactly game breakers, and not exactly redzone threats. The only guy we had was Vernon Davis, and it wasn't until later in the season we actually went his way on designed plays instead of tossing fade routes to Williams and Ginn in the hopes that they'd make the play. I remember a play in particular against the Steelers where Alex did locate Kyle Williams in the back of the endzone, but of course he didn't complete his route and stopped short.
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That's not a knock on Smith btw, that's something that's true in general. When we go back and look at the tape, Im sure you can find someone open on literally almost every play run during a game. The qb just didn't locate them. Some locate open guys more than others, which is why some qbs are better than others.

Which is why you see Coordinators get so mad at fans and the media when we're like "why didn't they do this or that?" bc most of the time they actually did incorporate those concepts but they just didn't work, or the play they called actually was a good play call but wasn't executed properly.

Execution. It's the name of the game.

Every bad run was the result of a bad block, or a bad decision by the RB. Every bad pass play was bc of the qb not identifying the open man, or a guy ran the wrong route, or a guy didn't release properly etc.

Execution. Nobody ever designed a play that was designed to not work.

My main beef with play callers is that some refuse to adjust to their players. Thats when I have a problem.
I absolutely agree. Its one of the reasons I loathe Mike Martz to this day.

As for the Niners, I thought we were just ultra conserative in the red-zone. And that being the only part of the field Alex had been stout pretty much the last several years, it was mind-boggling really. I dont know if that was a testment to the QB or what but I would like to see more diversity in play-calling and formation, less package-spefic plays and personel. Anytime I look over on the sideline and see my #1 WR on a crticial 3rd down red-zone pass play, I have to wonder are we out-thinking ourselves just a bit.
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Ah yes......the Ginn fade route. One of the many "wtf" moments of our red-zone play-calling.

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The irony of the 49ers' woes in the redzone is...

Alex Smith had the NFL's best QB rating inside the redzone in 2010.
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POE! Note: he doesn't look like a 346 lb man. He holds his weight very very well unlike fat slob Terrence Cody.



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LOL. I love Google. Greatest internet app OF ALL TIME.

Matt Flynn is gonna have a big season for Seattle. I think they make a hard push for a wildcard.

THis just in; Mike Williams still has a weight problem. I remember when he was a frosh at USC, totally sculpted. Looked like the prototype for the position.


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He definitely did. Hopefully its just because he was injured and wasnt able to workout all offseason. But I wouldn't be shocked if he just got lazy again.
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If you think Dick Butkus would walk into the NFL in today's game looking like he did back then you are nuts. You could get away with it back then. Today you can't. Again I'm not talking about him I'm talking about Upshaw. It's a crime to compare to two. If you look at him from his pro day until now he looks heavier. Not a good heavy either. He looks less defined and his stomach has more of a gut then it did before. Coming from a rookie who is now going to be forced into a prime role due to injury it isn't a good sign.
I agree. In the 60's an average offensive lineman was about 235 pounds and ran in the 5's. Butkus would be completely shellshocked today just at the sheer size and athleticism of the linemen he faced. That's why a lot of the greats from back in the day were so dominant, because they were literally a man among boys. To keep things in perspective, in today's game Butkus would have to be 6'6" and 350 pounds and run a 4.4 with fantastic athleticism to retain the size/speed/strength advantage that he had when he played.
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I agree. In the 60's an average offensive lineman was about 235 pounds and ran in the 5's. Butkus would be completely shellshocked today just at the sheer size and athleticism of the linemen he faced. That's why a lot of the greats from back in the day were so dominant, because they were literally a man among boys. To keep things in perspective, in today's game Butkus would have to be 6'6" and 350 pounds and run a 4.4 with fantastic athleticism to retain the size/speed/strength advantage that he had when he played.

Slight exaggerations, but the point is still correct. When Butkus played he was the same size as many starting Olineman and in some cases he was bigger.

Butkus was outsized for the LB position in the 1960s but in a way it would be difficult to conceive of in today's game.

It would be like Ndamukong Suh playing inside LB.
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