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Old 05-06-2012, 01:47 AM    (permalink
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^Love it when people say "this" league. As if they're in it in any form themselves. :P

Anywhozers, I haven't seen Brandon Marshall on any ones list. Wussupwitdat?

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Old 05-07-2012, 08:40 PM    (permalink
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Ah yes, the "he's not on my team anymore so now I think he's terrible" routine. It's a standard practice in the off-season. Bush is a great #2 back.
bearsfan using a hasty generalization, who'd a thunk?
Saying Michael Bush is underrated would have made more sense about 2-3 years ago, as it would imply he isn't seeing enough playing time or a big enough salary, or enough attention in general. But after the amount of playing time he has seen the past two seasons, based off his performance, I fail to see how he is underated.
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Old 05-09-2012, 01:22 AM    (permalink
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01. Aaron Rodgers
02. Peyton Manning
03. Tom Brady
04. Drew Brees
05. Eli Manning
06. Ben Roethlisberger
07. Philip Rivers
08. Matt Stafford
09. Jay Cutler
10. Michael Vick
11. Cam Newton
12. Tony Romo
13. Matt Ryan
14. Matt Schaub
15. Joe Flacco
16. Carson Palmer
17. Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Matt Hasselbeck
19. Josh Freeman
20. Andy Dalton

RB
01. Adrian Peterson
02. LeSean McCoy
03. Ray Rice
04. Maurice Jones-Drew
05. Arian Foster
06. Matt Forte
07. Marshawn Lynch
08. Darren McFadden
09. Steven Jackson
10. Chris Johnson
11. Jamaal Charles
12. Willis McGahee
13. Frank Gore
14. Fred Jackson
15. Reggie Bush
16. Darren Sproles
17. Jahvid Best
18. Ryan Mathews
19. Ahamd Bradshaw
20. Jonathan Stewart
21. DeMarco Murray
22. LeGarrette Blount
23. Beanie Wells
24. C.J. Spiller
25. DeAngelo Williams
26. Roy Helu
27. Rashard Mendenhall
28. Michael Turner
29. Ben Tate
30. Pierre Thomas
31. Michael Bush
32. BenJarvus Green-Ellis
33. Peyton Hillis
34. Mark Ingram
35. Shonn Greene

WR
01. Calvin Johnson
02. Larry Fitzgerald
03. Andre Johnson
04. Greg Jennings
05. Steve Smith
06. Hakeem Nicks
07. Mike Wallace
08. Brandon Marshall
09. A.J. Green
10. Dwayne Bowe
11. Julio Jones
12. Jordy Nelson
13. Percy Harvin
14. Roddy White
15. Reggie Wayne
16. DeSean Jackson
17. Kenny Britt
18. Marques Colston
19. Santonio Holmes
20. Dez Bryant
21. Vincent Jackson
22. Jeremy Maclin
23. Wes Welker
24. Victor Cruz
25. Antonio Brown
26. Steve Johnson
27. Miles Austin
28. Sidney Rice
29. Brandon Lloyd
30. Laurent Robinson
31. Eric Decker
32. Nate Washington
33. Demariyus Thomas
34. Pierre Garcon
35. Denarius Moore
36. Anquan Boldin
37. Michael Crabtree
38. Darrius Heyward-Bey
39. Torrey Smith
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:13 AM    (permalink
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I just glanced at that list to be honest, but Michael Turner at 28? I'd have him in my top 15 at least.
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that running back list gets rough after 6
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:30 PM    (permalink
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I sort of agree. Jackson was way ahead of Lynch when that trade happened and just played the best of his career last season. There's the youth factor, but Jackson is a much, much better asset in the passing game. Lynch drops below a number of other guys, for me.

Also couldn't say I'm that high on McGahee. He does still impress me some of the time and there aren't too many well established guys beneath him (that aren't tailing off), but meh.
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I agree, it seems like there's the 3-4 guys that are on top, then you could put the next 5-7 in different orders.

And I agree on McGahee, I think i'd have a hard time ranking him top 20
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McGahee played brilliantly last season and Turner is a shell of himself at this point that only had respectable numbers because of two monster games against the skeleton defense of Tampa that gave up completely.

And Lynch produced in the passing game and was easily better than everyone ranked below him on that list, save for maybe Fred Jackson, and maybe talent-wise DMac or Charles (who obviously fall due to not playing).

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Julio Jones over Jordy Nelson? I'm not so sure about that. Is it just the homer in me or does anyone else agree?
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Jones is more talented, but Nelson is arguably the better receiver at this point, so it's a fair argument.
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Jones is more talented, but Nelson is arguably the better receiver at this point, so it's a fair argument.
There's not much discrepancy between the two no matter who is above the other, and I'm probably nitpicking, but Jones hasn't shown me on the field or stat sheet that he is a better WR than Nelson although there's no denying his potential. I obviously watch more of Jordy than any other WR on a week to week basis so I may not be as objective as someone else.
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Welker at 23 is a joke. Homer or no homer.
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Julio Jones over Jordy Nelson? I'm not so sure about that. Is it just the homer in me or does anyone else agree?
I noticed that too. Making these lists are hard, so I don't make too much of a fuss about little things like that.

To me, Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Victor Cruz are way too low.

While guys like: AJ Green, Julio Jones, Percy Harvin are way too high
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Nope. Welker's a nice player, but all the guys ranked above him are better. If Harvin occupied that role with NE, he'd prove this.

When Edleman came in for Welker, the offense didn't skip a beat.

He's a good player, and very good at what he does from the inside, but he's not a better overall player than the guys ranked above him (only argument I can see is Maclin).
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Julio Jones over Jordy Nelson? I'm not so sure about that. Is it just the homer in me or does anyone else agree?
As much as I like Jordy Nelson, I would take Julio over him. Sorry, I just would. Jordy is an extremely solid guy that gives you lots of versatility but Julio Jones, to me, has the potential to be a top-5 absolute game-breaking receiver. His speed/explosion/height combination is just a notch behind Megatron and, in my opinion, superior to Andre Johnson at this point (although AJ is obviously a far superior overall WR.)
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You mean like a 1200 yard 15 TD kind of WR?
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I don't know, when I look at these rankings I'm looking at how they rank among players right now. Not who I would take, if you're going by that then you're going to over value based on youth and disregard people who are getting up there in age.

Either way, I'd take Jordy though. He's a complete WR and his route tree is far superior to Jones at this point IMO. Jones was very up and down as a rookie and really only exploded against bad defenses.
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2. Brady
3 Brees
4.Mannings
5. Newton

RB
1. AP
2.Foster
3.Mccoy
4.Lynch
5.DMC

WR
1.Megatron
2.Jennings
3.Jordy
4.Andre Johnson
5.Fitz

TE
1.Gronk
2.Graham
3.Davis
4.Witten
5.Finly

T
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2.Tohmas
3.Peters
4.Bulaga
5.Penn

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1.Nicks
2.Evans
3.Sittion
4.Mankins
5.Wininski

C
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2.Kaili
3.Pouncey
4.Mack
5.Saturday

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2. Brady
3 Brees
4.Mannings
5. Newton

RB
1. AP
2.Foster
3.Mccoy
4.Lynch
5.DMC

WR
1.Megatron
2.Jennings
3.Jordy
4.Andre Johnson
5.Fitz

TE
1.Gronk
2.Graham
3.Davis
4.Witten
5.Finly

T
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3.Peters
4.Bulaga
5.Penn

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3.Sittion
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5.Saturday

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3.Reece
Your receiver rankings are beyond ********. Kuhn sucks, Saturday sucks, Lynch over Ray Rice AND MJD...Newton number 5...I hope I was cruel enough.
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As much as I like Jordy Nelson, I would take Julio over him. Sorry, I just would. Jordy is an extremely solid guy that gives you lots of versatility but Julio Jones, to me, has the potential to be a top-5 absolute game-breaking receiver. His speed/explosion/height combination is just a notch behind Megatron and, in my opinion, superior to Andre Johnson at this point (although AJ is obviously a far superior overall WR.)
I still don't get what you expect from Julio's potential then. 2000 yards and 20 TDs? Jordy just put up 70 1200 and 15. Let's not forget what he fid in the playoff run to the SB and IN the SB. What was it? 9 for 140 and a TD. Game breaking I'd say if you can do that in the biggest game of the season.
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I still don't get what you expect from Julio's potential then. 2000 yards and 20 TDs? Jordy just put up 70 1200 and 15. Let's not forget what he fid in the playoff run to the SB and IN the SB. What was it? 9 for 140 and a TD. Game breaking I'd say if you can do that in the biggest game of the season.
but he's white, so people automatically don't proclaim him a game changer or a legitimate #1 WR
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What I don't get is, if Welker is so replaceable, then why aren't there more Wes Welkers in the league?

Welker is a damn good player, and the best slot WR in the game (Cruz could overtake him in the future though). The slot WR is just as vital if not more vital to the passing game than the outside guys.
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Production vs. Talent. Things kind of get blurry in that kind of debate. Certain guys are in situations where they put up bigger numbers than "more talented" players. But in the end isn't the point of football to see who can score the most TDs and gain the most yards.
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Production vs. Talent. Things kind of get blurry in that kind of debate. Certain guys are in situations where they put up bigger numbers than "more talented" players. But in the end isn't the point of football to see who can score the most TDs and gain the most yards.
Talent doesn't always produce but production always takes talent. Julio was targeted more times than Jordy last year, fwiw.
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Production vs. Talent. Things kind of get blurry in that kind of debate. Certain guys are in situations where they put up bigger numbers than "more talented" players. But in the end isn't the point of football to see who can score the most TDs and gain the most yards.
example: Larry Fitzgerald is the GOAT but only puts up mere HOF numbers

just saw GPNGC's avy and puked a little, what an combination abomination
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