2013 Patriots Draft

[TNPatsFan]

Well the combine workouts start today.

At the start of last season I was convinced that the Pats were going to have to spend an early pick on an OL, most probably an interior OL, and that's what I was paying the most attention to at the start of the college season.

But now I don't even think that's one of their top 5 needs. The OL came together and did a pretty good job. Not spectacular, but not nearly as bad as they looked in August and September. Just make sure they don't lose Vollmer or they will need to draft an OT (or sign a FA).

In the draft I think they absolutely need to get at least one WR and at least one DB (depending on the Talib and Dennard situations). They also need another pass rusher to go opposite Jones and some depth at LB.

[descendency]

Corey Fuller (WR, VT) put up some solid #2 WR numbers (at worst). He was 6'2", 205 with 33.5 inch arms and 9.5 inch hands. Ran a low 4.4. Went to youtube and quickly watched him play some and he definitely runs routes similar to NE's system, but doesn't run many routes.

However, he caught some of the worst thrown balls I've seen. Logan Thomas has absolutely terrible accuracy. Just terrible.

[cmarq83]

So yeah, these receivers, I want one.

[Vaylor]

Originally Posted by cmarq83

So yeah, these receivers, I want one.

I would like two or three.

[MidwayMonster31]

A lot of the receivers had very good days today. I think there is plenty of value to be had for you guys in the second round. I would not be surprised to see Justin Hunter turn into the best receiver of this class after all is said and done. He picked up near the end of the season and ran well. Markus Wheaton and Robert Woods will be very good fits for the Pats as well.

[descendency]

I read an interesting comment from a packers scout on Alec Ogletree:

"He's a top-10 talent. If you're the Patriots, you're taking the guy. It would be just a gift. And that's what's going to end up happening."

I'm not reading that much into the last sentence, but the second one is what intrigues me. Of all of the teams that pick in the late part of the first round (routinely), he picks NE - arguably one of the teams with the least need for a LB (though, Ogletree fits exactly the kind of LB they need...).

I wonder what he was thinking there.

[Jvig43]

Cmarq would punt kittens off a bridge if we drafted another LB in the first again haha

I'm pretty sure this time we'd be on board with him tho.

[AntoinCD]

I love this WR class. I would actually be happy with a draft haul of Robert Woods or Deandre Hopkins in the first, Marquise Goodwin in the second, Ryan Swope in the third and then fix everything else in FA. Hope to get some offensive line depth late in the draft too

The Pats really need to tear **** up at the WR position

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

Cmarq would punt kittens off a bridge if we drafted another LB in the first again haha

Haha, this made me laugh way more than I probably should.

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

I love this WR class. I would actually be happy with a draft haul of Robert Woods or Deandre Hopkins in the first, Marquise Goodwin in the second, Ryan Swope in the third and then fix everything else in FA. Hope to get some offensive line depth late in the draft too

The Pats really need to tear **** up at the WR position

I just got a massive erection when I read this. Another scenario would be Tavon Austin, Robert Woods and Cobi Hamilton. That would be pretty beastly imo.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

Cmarq would punt kittens off a bridge if we drafted another LB in the first again haha

I'm pretty sure this time we'd be on board with him tho.

I was never anti-LB, I just wanted a potential pass coverage LB. I mentioned multiple times before the draft that I was squarely in the David, Wagner, and Kendricks camp.

Anyways Ogletree in the first would be a no go for me. I like him, but not 1st round like him and we wouldn't give him enough snaps to justify that high of a pick. We can fill the void there later on as we only need a rotational LBer to sub in for Spikes or Hightower in Nickel situations.

Also, I was thinking on doubling up on receivers as well. I'm more in the Tavon Austin/ trade up higher in the 2nd for Justin Hunter camp.

[descendency]

Saw a pretty well known internet mock drafter with the idea that I had a few months ago (trade Mallett, draft Glennon in the late 3rd) which I think is an excellent idea. The only problem is that Glennon might not make it to the late 3rd and unless NE is taking a future pick for Mallett, we won't be sure that Glennon will be around in the early 90s.

[Vaylor]

Originally Posted by descendency

Saw a pretty well known internet mock drafter with the idea that I had a few months ago (trade Mallett, draft Glennon in the late 3rd) which I think is an excellent idea. The only problem is that Glennon might not make it to the late 3rd and unless NE is taking a future pick for Mallett, we won't be sure that Glennon will be around in the early 90s.

With Brady's contract being fully guaranteed, I don't see the value in taking a QB this year or next.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by descendency

Saw a pretty well known internet mock drafter with the idea that I had a few months ago (trade Mallett, draft Glennon in the late 3rd) which I think is an excellent idea. The only problem is that Glennon might not make it to the late 3rd and unless NE is taking a future pick for Mallett, we won't be sure that Glennon will be around in the early 90s.

I don't know what we'd get in return for Mallett, but I doubt it would be much better than what we'd give up having to draft Glennon in the 3rd. Mallett is the much superior player of the 2 IMO. I'll take 2 years of having him as a backup even if we can't resign him once his contract ends.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by Vaylor

With Brady's contract being fully guaranteed, I don't see the value in taking a QB this year or next.

He'll be 40 his last season. He talks about playing to 45, but that's insane. At the point when he's in his late 30s, every season you should have a competent backup.

As far as Mallett vs Glennon, I think they are basically identical prospects (minus the off field stuff). I would expect a high second round pick for Mallett. Honestly, with what the Chiefs just gave up for Alex Smith, I would expect a mid first rounder... lol.

[proshoota25]

if we go corner in the first....who would you pick that's realistic?

i think im leaning trufant

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by proshoota25

if we go corner in the first....who would you pick that's realistic?

i think im leaning trufant

Trufant would be my guess but I wouldn't rule out Taylor or Banks

[Jvig43]

I only saw that Banks ran a terrible 40 time, how was the rest of his combine?

[nepg]

I don't think the corners make it to the Pats in the first, but if Rhodes or Trufant is there, jump all over it.

I had them taking Justin Hunter in my mock. S, CB, and WR are their primary needs. I had Vacarro and Reid gone and the top 3 corners were gone. Hunter seems like the #3 WR in the draft at this point.

[nepg]

Originally Posted by Vaylor

With Brady's contract being fully guaranteed, I don't see the value in taking a QB this year or next.

If they can get something significant for Mallet and land one of the QBs from this class with their late pick, why not just bring Hoyer back and make this happen? It really is starting to look like Mallet will never start for the Pats.

The QBs in this class have a lot of potential, they just have flaws that make them bad fits for teams that definitely need to hit on a guy. The Pats aren't in that position.

[RWills]

Don't think Rhodes will be available when we pick, he can go as high as 12.

I see us trading down easy, there will be teams at the top of 2 wanting to trade back into round 1 to get a QB, makes sense cause 1st rd picks are 5-year contracts whereas 2nd rd is 4 year, you would want that QB an eztra year of cheap salary.

Expect a run on CB's from bottom of rd 1 thru rd 2. So if we're thinking from our pick till about the our pick in rd 2 CB's we could look at are...

Trufant - Not as physical as you saw in the Sr bowl but has proved himself, not sure if he would last.

Blidi Wreh-Wilson - Big, long armed, 2x captain and a good kid that loves football, sounds like a Patriot. teams like Ind, Jax, NYJ, Buf will look at him in rd 2, would have to take in rd 1

Jamar Taylor - He doesn't get enough credit, feisty speedy cover corner but struggles at pressing at the LOS another early 2nd rd prospect

Jonathan Banks - He is a pro, good kid, Joe Haden ran a worst 40, he just makes plays. another tall long armed CB, can still go late round 1 to middle rd 2

The rest could be had with our second rd

Robert Alford - Fast, electric returner, strong and good at press, mean attitude, not as big as one would like, tends to be overagressive

BW Webb - Another feisty corner but doesn't like to work through blocks, struggles in back pedal, good zone awareness, rmeinds me of Asante Samuel

Jordan Poyer - Smooth CB w/ fluid hips can play man and zone, lacks second gear and struggles at press.

Darius Slay - Long and Physical with speed might be a better pro than Banks, hard worker and good ST'r, lacks a drive to the ball

Leon McFadden - great feet, and can snatch the ball, understands zone but is on the smaller size

David Amerson - Boom or Bust, fast strightline speed, good size, very good ball skills. Gets beat to much, constantly struggled on doubles and fakes, gave up a lot vertical TDs

The reast is 3rd round possibilities
Tyrann Mathieu
Will Davis
Logan Ryan
Tharold Simon
Brandon McGee
Terry Hawthorne
Dwayne Gratz

[FlyingElvis]

Originally Posted by RWills

Robert Alford - Fast, electric returner, strong and good at press, mean attitude, not as big as one would like, tends to be overagressive

Drafting a guy who can truly be a return man would be a nice change. I'd love to see that, though I guess it depends on where our defensive philosophy lies this year.

[nepg]

It really looks like they need to bring in a FA CB. I don't see one worth taking lasting till #29 and they don't have a ton of ammunition to trade up with (nor is it really worth it to trade up).

Trufant or Rhodes would be dream picks in the first round, but I have both going in the Top 20.

I think Robert Alford is a legitimate option at #29, but that may be a better opportunity to take a player at a different position.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

I only saw that Banks ran a terrible 40 time, how was the rest of his combine?

He looked bad all around.

He's definitely falling. (I was shocked when he was rising)

[proshoota25]

reports are going around that the pats seemed very interested in the honey badger at the combine. they grilled him the hardest too apparently

[Jvig43]

Elaborate haha