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tebow earned his spot in the top 100 as a complete football player, not QB!! That is what the top 100 is about . Not being a great Qb just a great player all around. Stop the hate.
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tebow earned his spot in the top 100 as a complete football player, not QB!! That is what the top 100 is about . Not being a great Qb just a great player all around. Stop the hate.
Eli wasn't on the list last year and he's a million times the player Tebow is or ever will be. I don't want to hear it.
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Penn was far from horrible. Maybe not top 100 worthy, but he was still a great left tackle.
Only 10 offensive linemen made the list. He was underrated going into the season then disappointed last year. He was a fringe top 10 linemen going into the season. After the worst season he's had in several years?

Thomas
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Kalil
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Pouncey
Mack
Yanda

I like Penn and don't want to sound like I'm bashing him, but if only 10 linemen are making it, then he should not be on the list. I actually don't have an issue with him making the top 100. I also don't know how 17 RBs made the list.
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tebow earned his spot in the top 100 as a complete football player, not QB!! That is what the top 100 is about . Not being a great Qb just a great player all around. Stop the hate.
Generally I like a QB who can throw the ball but to each his own I suppose.
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Only 10 offensive linemen made the list. He was underrated going into the season then disappointed last year. He was a fringe top 10 linemen going into the season. After the worst season he's had in several years?

Thomas
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Kalil
Evans
Mangold
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Gross
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Pouncey
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Yanda

I like Penn and don't want to sound like I'm bashing him, but if only 10 linemen are making it, then he should not be on the list. I actually don't have an issue with him making the top 100. I also don't know how 17 RBs made the list.
I don't think it's bashing him to suggest he isn't a top 10 lineman. You have to be pretty damn awesome to be a top 10 lineman in the NFL!
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The NFL top 100 serves no other purpose other than to give fans something to talk about. How the hell do you argue who is a better football player between an offensive guard and a safety. Two totally different jobs. Seriously, is the best long snapper in the league a better football player than the 27th best TE? Answer: who ******* cares.
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The NFL top 100 serves no other purpose other than to give fans something to talk about. How the hell do you argue who is a better football player between an offensive guard and a safety. Two totally different jobs. Seriously, is the best long snapper in the league a better football player than the 27th best TE? Answer: who ******* cares.
I agree completely. the NFL likes to run these lists all through the off season for cheap publicity and to keep the NFL on the sport pages and in the media.
They know these lists are absolutely meaningless but who cares, they certainly don't.
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70. Mike Vick QB
69. Carlos Rodgers CB
68. Elvis Dumervil DE
67. Joe Staley OL
66. Earl Thomas S
65. Roddy White WR
64. Logan Mankins OL
63. Lamarr Woodley LB
62. Justin Tuck DE
61. Phillip Rivers QB

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NFL Networks 2nd annual Top 100 players in the NFL voted on by the players.


100. Chris Johnson, RB, Titans
99. Ryan Kalil, C, Panthers
98. Willis McGahee, RB, Broncos
97. Donald Penn, LT, Buccaneers
96. D'Qwell Jackson, MLB, Browns
95. Tim Tebow, QB, Jets
94. Marshawn Lynch, RB, Seahawks
93. Cortlan Finnegan, CB, Rams
92. John Kuhn, FB, Packers
91. Tony Romo, QB, Cowboys

90. Hakeem Nicks, WR, Giants
89. Dwight Feeney, DE, Colts
88. Michael Turner, RB, Falcons
87. London Fletcher, ILB, Redskins
86. Darren Sproles, RB, Saints
85. NaVorro Bowman, ILB, 49ers
84. Chris Long, DE, Rams
83. Fred Jackson, RB, Bills
82. Joe Thomas, LT, Browns
81. Vince Wilfork, NT, Patriots

80. Jordy Nelson, WR, Packers
79. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Eagles
78. Derrick Johnson, ILB, Chiefs
77. AJ Green, WR, Bengals
76. Carl Nicks, OG, Buccaneers
75. Jason Witten, TE, Cowboys
74. Joe Flacco, QB, Ravens
73. Jonathan Joseph, CB, Texans
72. Lance Briggs, OLB, Bears
71. DeSean Jackson, WR, Eagles

70. Mike Vick, QB, Eagles
69. Carlos Rodgers, CB, 49ers
68. Elvis Dumervil, DE, Broncos
67. Joe Staley, LT, 49ers
66. Earl Thomas, FS, Seahawks
65. Roddy White, WR, Falcons
64. Logan Mankins, OG, Patriots
63. LaMarr Woodley, OLB, Steelers
62. Justin Tuck, DE, Giants
61. Phillip Rivers, QB, Chargers

60. Darren McFadden, RB, Raiders
59. Jake Long, LT, Dolphins
58. Jonathan Vilma, MLB, Saints
57. Trent Cole, DE, Eagles
56. Greg Jennings, WR, Packers
55. Patrick Peterson, CB, Cardinals
54. Brian Cushing, ILB, Texans
53. Tony Gonzalez, TE, Falcons
52. Von Miller, OLB, Broncos
51. Brian Urlacher, MLB, Bears


To be continued...
The Bottom 50 are up...

Joe Flacco at #74 and Tony Romo at #91. Flip flop these two players and put Romo in Baltimore and Flacco in Dallas. If you think for a second that Flacco would look half as good as Romo has while in Dallas, then you are out of your mind. Joe Flacco ******* sucks. He holds the Ravens back on a yearly basis. To this day, he has done nothing to be considered a Top 10 QB in the NFL. He's rode the coat tails of a disgustingly vaunted defense that probably holds 4 future Hall of Fame players on it. He's also had the luxury of a really good - to well above average offensive line, and a RB that can pound the rock and catch passes out of the backfield. He's had everything at his disposal. He should have been playing in the last two Super Bowls. His defense and offensive lines were that good. The only reason why the Ravens haven’t been in the Super Bowl: Joe Flacco.

The Ravens bring him even more weapons over the past two years by going out of their way to bring in WRs (Boldin, Evens, Smith) and TEs (Dickson, Pitta) to surround him with as much talent as humanly possible, and he's still a one-and-done playoff QB. That's what he is. He's way too inconsistent to be a winner in the playoffs. You have to hope that he plays a stretch of games come playoff time that's good enough for them to get a couple wins, and still cross your fingers that the defense plays lights-out every single time they step on the field. Yet he can't seem to do that despite everything around him.

Flacco plays a good defense in last years playoffs and they win because they went up against a rookie QB (Texans). Even though he plays like dogshit, they still win. It’s the luxury of having a great defense to hold you up and an offensive line / running game you can rely on when completing 14 of 27 passes. Then he plays a historically bad pass defense (Patriots) and they lose because he can't put up more than 20 measly points against a defense that gave up the most pass yards in NFL history.

Yet people will say, "He played well against the Patriots in the playoffs. It wasn‘t his fault they lost." Everybody played well against the Patriots last year. Every QB did. He played mediocre football against them. For once, beat a team, beat a QB that you aren’t favored to beat. Just do it once. Outplay someone that‘s any good… just one time.

The Patriots defense sucked and they had no business winning that game. But the Patriots QB is so infinitely better than the Ravens QB, that it allowed them to win. For the life of me, I don't understand how anyone can like Joe Flacco. To even like him. How do you lose a playoff game where Brady doesn't throw a TD, he throws 2 INTs and has the support of one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the NFL? And you had a 4th QT lead? And you manage to score ZERO points in the 4th QT? Because you decide it's a good time to throw the ball directly to Brandon Spikes. Yet people will try to blame Lee Evens or a missed FG when they only had the opportunity to get the ball back because of Ed Reed and their defense. Flacco has pissed away more opportunities in his first 4 years in the NFL than Tony Romo may ever get in his entire career. Flacco is nothing but a lot of potential that can’t seem to solidify himself amongst the 3rd tier QBs.

This guy is better than Romo? Romo throws for over 4,000 yards, 31 TDs and 10 INTs with a 102 QB Rating in, basically, 15 games. Romo has to play out of his mind for an 8 win season. Flacco plays average football and manages to take a division winner to the Championship game. And he's gaining respect from opposing players? Anyway, that's my yearly Joe Flacco rant. ******* hate the guy.



Surprises from the rest of the list... DeSean Jackson? He might be the most underserving along with Tim Tebow, but with McFadden at #60, I guess the players are ranking really talented guys high, and not really caring about much else... like production, or if a player even cares about playing football. That's why Mike Vick must rank at #70: talent. Since he's had 1 season in his entire NFL career that even resembled that of a legitimate NFL QB, he must rank high based on that 1 season and his talent. Yet he's higher than Tony Romo? Because he's can run and make some highlight plays from time-to-time? His 2010 season gave me hope he was finally going to turn into an elite, or borderline elite QB. After last season, I don't know if I even care what he turns into. How he ranks close to Philip Rivers, I don't know. And Rivers probably deserves to rank where he is after last seasons horrendous outing.

Jake Long's injuries certainly dropped him, but like Joe Thomas, way too much. Both those guys should be insulted. As well as Carl Nicks. They are Top 25 players.

Roddy White is overrated. Simply put. Wes Welker gets a ton of **** for not be a vertical threat. What does Roddy White do all game long other than catch passes short of 10 yards? Do it from the outside? He's not a playmaker anymore. He started losing that ability last season. With Julio Jones emerging, it's even readily more apparent that White is nothing but a possession receiver who hasn't done anything in the playoffs. He's not an elite player or even close to an elite #1. He might be one of the best #2 options there is. His best days are already behind him. Jordy Nelson, AJ Green and Hakeem Nicks are much better players than Roddy White. I'll also take Austin Miles, who probably wont make the list way ahead of Roddy White.

I'm not surprised Patrick Peterson made the list, but the fact that he's ranked so close to Von Miller and so high... it makes me wonder how high Aldon Smith will rank. He surely has to rank close to both those guys. Aldon Smith in the Top 50 would be way too high. Miller and Peterson were both too high (Miller to a lesser degree). There are about 15 really good CBs in the NFL right now. A lot are going to be left off the list, and a lot are much better players than Patrick Peterson, who will, relatively soon, wind up as probably being one of the better CBs in the NFL.

I'm happy to see Justin Tuck maintain his ranking despite the injury plagued-down season he had. He's one of the elite players in the game. Also happy to see Trent Cole make a meaningful rise up. He's a great player that's still underrated (see how much higher Jason Babin will rank, and it will further prove how underrated he is when he's significantly better than Babin.). And LaMarr Woodley. Woodley was on a tear last year and looked the best he ever has. He's closed the gap between him and Harrison the last two years and he's becoming one of the elite OLBs in the game. If he was healthy all season long, I think he would have been in the discussion for DPOY.

I also like the high rankings of Joe Staley, Earl Thoms, Carlos Rogers and Jonathan Joseph.
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Not a huge fan of the list this year. You highlighted some of the reasons why. It gets attention though and that's all the NFL cares about.
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I dont see Aldon making the list. He's not a starter and I think they will hold it against him. If he was on the list, I dont see him being ranked ahead of Miller. PP being ranked in the 50's is a joke in itself.
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Joe Flacco at #74 and Tony Romo at #91. Flip flop these two players and put Romo in Baltimore and Flacco in Dallas. If you think for a second that Flacco would look half as good as Romo has while in Dallas, then you are out of your mind. Joe Flacco ******* sucks. He holds the Ravens back on a yearly basis. To this day, he has done nothing to be considered a Top 10 QB in the NFL. He's rode the coat tails of a disgustingly vaunted defense that probably holds 4 future Hall of Fame players on it. He's also had the luxury of a really good - to well above average offensive line, and a RB that can pound the rock and catch passes out of the backfield. He's had everything at his disposal. He should have been playing in the last two Super Bowls. His defense and offensive lines were that good. The only reason why the Ravens haven’t been in the Super Bowl: Joe Flacco.
I'm not a big Flacco fan, but he doesn't "*******" suck. There are far worse options you can have than Flacco. He's decent. The Ravens have actually been down that road having journeyman quarterback after journeyman quarterback. The Ravens have made the playoffs every single year since Flacco has been the quarterback. And he's played pretty well. He's not a megastar, but he's not terrible. He's decent, like I said. He's a dropped pass in the AFC Championship and a missed field goal from potentially playing in the Super Bowl. In a game where Tom Brady played like garbage on the other end. And the year before you can thank Ray Rice for fumbling against the Steelers and Boldin and Houshmandzadeh dropping crucial passes. Having Cam Cameron as your offensive coordinator doesn't help his cause either. Really, he's not that bad. Probably not a top ten QB, but you don't necessarily need one to win a championship, let alone get to the Super Bowl.
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I don't really care where the NFL Network ranks him. They have Tim Tebow in the top 100 so it pretty much invalidates the entire thing.
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The fact that they are going to rank Babin ahead of Cole is a huge mistake. Babin is a one trick pony and the fact he racked up as many sacks as he did last year was amazing to me. Trent Cole is one of the most complete ends in the game. Hes getting hosed, but like Bixby said...Tebow making this ****** thing makes it a joke already so.
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Joe Flacco at #74 and Tony Romo at #91. Flip flop these two players and put Romo in Baltimore and Flacco in Dallas. If you think for a second that Flacco would look half as good as Romo has while in Dallas, then you are out of your mind. Joe Flacco ******* sucks. He holds the Ravens back on a yearly basis. To this day, he has done nothing to be considered a Top 10 QB in the NFL. He's rode the coat tails of a disgustingly vaunted defense that probably holds 4 future Hall of Fame players on it. He's also had the luxury of a really good - to well above average offensive line, and a RB that can pound the rock and catch passes out of the backfield. He's had everything at his disposal. He should have been playing in the last two Super Bowls. His defense and offensive lines were that good. The only reason why the Ravens haven’t been in the Super Bowl: Joe Flacco.

The Ravens bring him even more weapons over the past two years by going out of their way to bring in WRs (Boldin, Evens, Smith) and TEs (Dickson, Pitta) to surround him with as much talent as humanly possible, and he's still a one-and-done playoff QB. That's what he is. He's way too inconsistent to be a winner in the playoffs. You have to hope that he plays a stretch of games come playoff time that's good enough for them to get a couple wins, and still cross your fingers that the defense plays lights-out every single time they step on the field. Yet he can't seem to do that despite everything around him.

Flacco plays a good defense in last years playoffs and they win because they went up against a rookie QB (Texans). Even though he plays like dogshit, they still win. It’s the luxury of having a great defense to hold you up and an offensive line / running game you can rely on when completing 14 of 27 passes. Then he plays a historically bad pass defense (Patriots) and they lose because he can't put up more than 20 measly points against a defense that gave up the most pass yards in NFL history.

Yet people will say, "He played well against the Patriots in the playoffs. It wasn‘t his fault they lost." Everybody played well against the Patriots last year. Every QB did. He played mediocre football against them. For once, beat a team, beat a QB that you aren’t favored to beat. Just do it once. Outplay someone that‘s any good… just one time.

The Patriots defense sucked and they had no business winning that game. But the Patriots QB is so infinitely better than the Ravens QB, that it allowed them to win. For the life of me, I don't understand how anyone can like Joe Flacco. To even like him. How do you lose a playoff game where Brady doesn't throw a TD, he throws 2 INTs and has the support of one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the NFL? And you had a 4th QT lead? And you manage to score ZERO points in the 4th QT? Because you decide it's a good time to throw the ball directly to Brandon Spikes. Yet people will try to blame Lee Evens or a missed FG when they only had the opportunity to get the ball back because of Ed Reed and their defense. Flacco has pissed away more opportunities in his first 4 years in the NFL than Tony Romo may ever get in his entire career. Flacco is nothing but a lot of potential that can’t seem to solidify himself amongst the 3rd tier QBs.

This guy is better than Romo? Romo throws for over 4,000 yards, 31 TDs and 10 INTs with a 102 QB Rating in, basically, 15 games. Romo has to play out of his mind for an 8 win season. Flacco plays average football and manages to take a division winner to the Championship game. And he's gaining respect from opposing players? Anyway, that's my yearly Joe Flacco rant. ******* hate the guy.


Damn man calm down. To blame it all on Flacco isnt right. Cameron is arguably the worst coach in the NFL regardless of position. You bring up the weapons that Ozzie brought it but Cameron never used them properly. Boldin rarely saw the slot, we never ran a 2 TE set, Evans was a complete flop w/ injuries as well. Cameron is easily holding him back. Also you act like it is Flaccos fault that Lee Evans dropped the ******* ball. He put it right there for him. Now I would say Romo is better then Flacco but you are acting like he has the hype of Luck w/ the production of Kyle Boller.
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Eagles fans, let us all know how you feel about Trent Cole being rated lower than a 2nd year CB, Patrick Peterson
Peterson is ranked mostly on return ability. As a corner, he's nowhere near this list, YET.
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Where are all the Lions? Just kidding, i'm assuming Stafford, Megatron, Suh, and maybe Avril are on the list?
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Haha, Avril isn't in the top 50.
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hence, the "maybe". He should definitely be in the top 100, but apparently not.
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hence, the "maybe". He should definitely be in the top 100, but apparently not.
No way, Avril is overrated. Yeah he's quick but his defensive tackles are getting doubled every play. He's out there on an island winning one on one match-ups. He's not even close to as good as the top tier ends who can take over games by themselves (Allen, Cole, JPP, Peppers) IMO. Good player but not has good as his stats indicate IMO.
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I stopped reading when I saw Chris Johnson was #100 (to clarify, I am speaking in favor of CJ)
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The Ravens bring him even more weapons over the past two years by going out of their way to bring in WRs (Boldin, Evens, Smith) and TEs (Dickson, Pitta) to surround him with as much talent as humanly possible, and he's still a one-and-done playoff QB. That's what he is. He's way too inconsistent to be a winner in the playoffs. You have to hope that he plays a stretch of games come playoff time that's good enough for them to get a couple wins, and still cross your fingers that the defense plays lights-out every single time they step on the field. Yet he can't seem to do that despite everything around him.
Have you taken a look at Flacco's resume? He has a great winning percentage and gets the Ravens where they need to go. The Ravens should have beat the Pats minus a few errors at the end of the game. Flacco gets knocked way to hard IMO.
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Anybody think any more Colts will make the list? Here are some people I thought would at least crack the top 100 but I don't see as top 50.
Reggie Wayne
Robert Mathis
Antoine Bethea

I wonder if Dwight Freeney is the only one to make the list.
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Reggie Wayne definitely never had a chance.
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