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Who's better, personally i'll take wade, i think Lebron is overrated
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Wade plays great team basketball? What? In the 4th quarter he never even bothered to pass the ball most of the time in the finals. LeBron is the superior player and is the team leader of the Cavs. Although Kobe is better than both right now, LeBron will pass Kobe sooner than later.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
Don't get me wrong, LeBron is extremely clutch. But after the way Wade played in the finals, Wade is more clutch. And thats why i said lebron is a better player, because he can rebound, score from the outside, do some things wade can't. Wade has the ability to take the game over, now so does Lebron, but Wade IMO is more clutch
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Wade plays great team basketball? What? In the 4th quarter he never even bothered to pass the ball most of the time in the finals. LeBron is the superior player and is the team leader of the Cavs. Although Kobe is better than both right now, LeBron will pass Kobe sooner than later.
a. did you even hear shaaq's quote, where he said he personifies team basketball. Watch something more than the finals, he dishes the ball quite a bit.

b. who would you liek him to pass to besides Shaq? Antoine Walker? so he can cry about fouls and shoot bricks? Udonis Haslem? The most inconsistent player in the NBA? White Chocolate? Who is worthless?

c. Its the finals, he wants to win, your best player should have the ball.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
Don't get me wrong, LeBron is extremely clutch. But after the way Wade played in the finals, Wade is more clutch. And thats why i said lebron is a better player, because he can rebound, score from the outside, do some things wade can't. Wade has the ability to take the game over, now so does Lebron, but Wade IMO is more clutch
As of right now Wade is proven as the most clutch in the NBA, we will truly see who is more clutch though if Lebron and the Cavs ever make it to the finals, unlikely but possible. Although it would be hard to improve on what Dwayne did.

Everyone who says Kobe is better than both of them has no idea what they are talking about. Playoffs Lakers got eliminated quickly because Kobe isn't a team player, and then suddenly tried to be. Kobe never passes the ball, which is why he gets so many points. He doesn't rebound as well as Lebron either. The Lakers supporting cast is probably better than Clevelands at least they can play some decent defense and are big.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Wade plays great team basketball? What? In the 4th quarter he never even bothered to pass the ball most of the time in the finals. LeBron is the superior player and is the team leader of the Cavs. Although Kobe is better than both right now, LeBron will pass Kobe sooner than later.
a. did you even hear shaaq's quote, where he said he personifies team basketball. Watch something more than the finals, he dishes the ball quite a bit.

b. who would you liek him to pass to besides Shaq? Antoine Walker? so he can cry about fouls and shoot bricks? Udonis Haslem? The most inconsistent player in the NBA? White Chocolate? Who is worthless?

c. Its the finals, he wants to win, your best player should have the ball.
It's Shaq's quote, I take it with a grain of salt. I saw dozens of heats games throughout the year, I was just picking that one series. There are times when Wade is very cold but keeps throwing up the ball anyway which isn't exactly team like. And I understand your best player wants the ball, but if you have a wide open man and are surronded by players you should pass the damn ball(LeBron does it).
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Didn't we just have this thread?

And danman, Haslem consistently makes mid range jumpers from the wing and is a very consistent rebounder. I would rather see him shoot than Walker.

And Brodeur, the only time Wade forces shots is when his team needs it. He always looks to pass throughout the game and that is mainly why he dominates in the 4th like he does. He doesn't pass as much in the 4th, but the rest of the game he does. He is constantly getting assists.
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And Brodeur, the only time Wade forces shots is when his team needs it. He always looks to pass throughout the game and that is mainly why he dominates in the 4th like he does. He doesn't pass as much in the 4th, but the rest of the game he does. He is constantly getting assists.
I'm aware he only forces shots in the 4th quarter, but it's not always necessarily doing it for the good of the team.
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Kobe is the best of the three right now, clearly. After that, I'd give Wade the edge right now. It's simply because he plays to his strengths more than LeBron does. Wade goes to the rim every chance he gets which is his forte where as LeBron often settles for bad shots. Once LeBron eliminates these bad shots from his game, I think he'll be the better player.
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Lebron is much better. If it had been Lebron's team in the Finals, Lebron would win 100-0. It's just because Wade was granted a better opportunity due to having the better team. Lebron is a stronger scorer, stronger rebounder, and in my opinion a better passer. Not even close.
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Perfectly said. But I'm taking LeBron,l just for the fact that he is the superior player.
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And danman, Haslem consistently makes mid range jumpers from the wing and is a very consistent rebounder. I would rather see him shoot than Walker.

And Brodeur, the only time Wade forces shots is when his team needs it. He always looks to pass throughout the game and that is mainly why he dominates in the 4th like he does. He doesn't pass as much in the 4th, but the rest of the game he does. He is constantly getting assists.
i would too, but that does not mean i want him shooting it in the first place.
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And Brodeur, the only time Wade forces shots is when his team needs it. He always looks to pass throughout the game and that is mainly why he dominates in the 4th like he does. He doesn't pass as much in the 4th, but the rest of the game he does. He is constantly getting assists.
I'm aware he only forces shots in the 4th quarter, but it's not always necessarily doing it for the good of the team.
Then what is it for?
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And Brodeur, the only time Wade forces shots is when his team needs it. He always looks to pass throughout the game and that is mainly why he dominates in the 4th like he does. He doesn't pass as much in the 4th, but the rest of the game he does. He is constantly getting assists.
I'm aware he only forces shots in the 4th quarter, but it's not always necessarily doing it for the good of the team.
He pretty much single-handidly won the finals for the heat with his 4th quarter shots.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
Don't get me wrong, LeBron is extremely clutch. But after the way Wade played in the finals, Wade is more clutch. And thats why i said lebron is a better player, because he can rebound, score from the outside, do some things wade can't. Wade has the ability to take the game over, now so does Lebron, but Wade IMO is more clutch
As of right now Wade is proven as the most clutch in the NBA, we will truly see who is more clutch though if Lebron and the Cavs ever make it to the finals, unlikely but possible. Although it would be hard to improve on what Dwayne did.

Everyone who says Kobe is better than both of them has no idea what they are talking about. Playoffs Lakers got eliminated quickly because Kobe isn't a team player, and then suddenly tried to be. Kobe never passes the ball, which is why he gets so many points. He doesn't rebound as well as Lebron either. The Lakers supporting cast is probably better than Clevelands at least they can play some decent defense and are big.

Unlikely? They're mostly young, have soon to be the best player in the NBA(arguably already the best) and they aren't screwed in the draft or cap wise for years in the future. They'll MOST likely get there eventually. And for the question, let's break it down.

Scoring-LeBron
Rebounding-LeBron
Passing-LeBron
Court Vision-LeBron
Outside shot-LeBron, until Wade can prove he can hit it consistently
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Post gme-LeBron
Man to man defense-Wade, but LeBron has the potential to be better (he's bigger)
Playing the passing lanes/team defense-LeBron
Clutch-Push

So yeah, Wade is sooooo much better :roll:
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And Brodeur, the only time Wade forces shots is when his team needs it. He always looks to pass throughout the game and that is mainly why he dominates in the 4th like he does. He doesn't pass as much in the 4th, but the rest of the game he does. He is constantly getting assists.
I'm aware he only forces shots in the 4th quarter, but it's not always necessarily doing it for the good of the team.
Then what is it for?
That came out really wrong. I meant to say that when he forces shots in the 4th quarter, it frequently hurts them more then it helps them.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
by countless games do you mean like 2? IT took him sooo long to finally make a clutch shot. people compare LBJ to JOrdan it took jordan like 10 games to make a clutch buzzer beater while it took lebron some where around 100 games to make a signifigant one. lebron is not clutch except for in a few games fiannly this year where horrible D was played agianst him. And as for D wade being on a good team.. D wade pretty much won the championship by himself he tore it up.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
by countless games do you mean like 2? IT took him sooo long to finally make a clutch shot. people compare LBJ to JOrdan it took jordan like 10 games to make a clutch buzzer beater while it took lebron some where around 100 games to make a signifigant one. lebron is not clutch except for in a few games fiannly this year where horrible D was played agianst him. And as for D wade being on a good team.. D wade pretty much won the championship by himself he tore it up.
That's the biggest load of crap ever, and you know it. Switch D-Wade and Lebron, and Lebron gets to win.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
by countless games do you mean like 2? IT took him sooo long to finally make a clutch shot. people compare LBJ to JOrdan it took jordan like 10 games to make a clutch buzzer beater while it took lebron some where around 100 games to make a signifigant one. lebron is not clutch except for in a few games fiannly this year where horrible D was played agianst him. And as for D wade being on a good team.. D wade pretty much won the championship by himself he tore it up.
That's the biggest load of crap ever, and you know it. Switch D-Wade and Lebron, and Lebron gets to win.
How is it a load of crap? D wade was rediculous, Lebron is overrated Bolth Kobe and wade are better. Maybe they don't have as much talent or potental, but they still bolth perform better especially under pressure.
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LeBron is the superior player IMO, but as far as a team leader and perrforming in the clutch its wade. LeBron is a superior athlete and is clutch a can take over games, but wade plays suchh good team basketball, and at the same time can dominate.
Performing in the clutch? Have you watched Lebron play? He has won countless games with buzzer beaters, and when the Cavs played the Heat during the regular season it was pretty much a showdown of Lebron and Dwayne, and guess who won it? Lebron did, the Cavs won. Dwayne looks so good because he is on a very good team, I'm not taking anything away from him he is the best player on his team, but he's just not as good as Lebron. He isn't the rebounder that Lebron is, and he doesn't throw down as many points consistently as Lebron does. Lebron needs some offensive firepower to help him out, Larry Hughes needs to stay healthy and have a good season. Lebron carries his team on his shoulders while the heat are "15 strong."
by countless games do you mean like 2? IT took him sooo long to finally make a clutch shot. people compare LBJ to JOrdan it took jordan like 10 games to make a clutch buzzer beater while it took lebron some where around 100 games to make a signifigant one. lebron is not clutch except for in a few games fiannly this year where horrible D was played agianst him. And as for D wade being on a good team.. D wade pretty much won the championship by himself he tore it up.
That's the biggest load of crap ever, and you know it. Switch D-Wade and Lebron, and Lebron gets to win.
How is it a load of crap? D wade was rediculous, Lebron is overrated Bolth Kobe and wade are better. Maybe they don't have as much talent or potental, but they still bolth perform better especially under pressure.

Are you joking? Clutch isn't all about buzzer beaters. Taking a FAR superior team to 7 games pretty much by yourself, that's clutch. Averaging 30/8/6 in your first playoff, clutch. Slmost making the third round despite having no other 12 ppg scorer in the playoffs? clutch. And 2 years ago, last game, if Cavs won and Nets lost, the Cavs were in the playoffs. Cavs won, LeBron had 35/14/14. Unfortunately the Nets won too, so they didn't make the playoffs. LeBron is just as clutch.
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