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Knicks and Bucs · 05-17-2012, 08:59 PM

If Tampa picks top 5 and cant get Amerson. They have to go QB. If they do this awful again then that means Josh Freeman failed.

CJSchneider · 05-17-2012, 10:19 PM

I can't complain about the N.O. pick.

SickwithIt1010 · 05-18-2012, 02:53 AM

Solid picks for the eagles, especially round 1. Hopefully Boykin steps up this year and we dont need to draft a CB.

DeepThreat · 05-18-2012, 07:36 AM

Like TACKS said, this Browns pick makes no sense. Cleveland has an excellent DT combo in Taylor and Rubin, and the team just drafted John Hughes in the third.

Poz51 · 05-18-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

I'm not a Browns fan at all but can you please explain the Star pick? I've seen it a couple times and it makes no sense at all to me. They drafted Phil Taylor in the first last year and Rubin is coming off a great year and got a 3-year extension last off season?

For the Ravens, Rambo's an alright pick but I'd cry my eyes dry if we passed on Hunter.

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Originally Posted by DeepThreat

Like TACKS said, this Browns pick makes no sense. Cleveland has an excellent DT combo in Taylor and Rubin, and the team just drafted John Hughes in the third.

It made sense to me in that with Stars athleticism he could play DE in the base 4-3 giving the Browns a obsurd run front, spell Taylor in pass rushing situations and help save his body, give them flexability in hybrid/3-4 looks, Rubins contract runs out after 2014, Taylor will miss significant time this year (not a joint injury, which is good), so Star provides insurance in the event of Rubin leaving in 2014 (allowing them to also spend FA $$$ else where), or if Taylor starts wearing down. Essentially a future diversity/scheme flexability pick is where I was going, I take no responsability for those other clowns...

I did not take into consideration the Hughes pick, nor that they drafted Billy Winn I believe, so even thought I think Star has the potential to be the best of the lot, I would agree that it does not make alot of sense in that regard, and probably should be changed, but its too early/late for that...

T - As for the Ravens, I love Rambo's fit in that D if his head is screwed on straight, but I think a healthy Hunter would be a nice fit to the offense, IMO I go Rambo, under the thinking that the offense is good enought w/out Hunter to win, were as the defense (should Reed retire) will be hurting more without a quality FS. Thoughts?

thebow305 · 05-19-2012, 09:56 AM

Cant argue with Gholston, but give Miami Ray Ray in the 2nd please!!

DeepThreat · 05-19-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Poz51

It made sense to me in that with Stars athleticism he could play DE in the base 4-3 giving the Browns a obsurd run front, spell Taylor in pass rushing situations and help save his body, give them flexability in hybrid/3-4 looks, Rubins contract runs out after 2014, Taylor will miss significant time this year (none joint injury, which is good), so Star provides insurance in the event of Rubin leaving in 2014 (allowing them to also spend FA $$$ else where), or if Taylor starts wearing down. Essentially a future diversity/scheme flexability pick is where I was going, I take no responsability for those other clowns...

You clearly have no knowledge of Dick Jauron's scheme. Defensive tackles take up blockers and defensive ends rush the passer. There is no way Star could play defensive end in Jauron's defense. Teams don't draft guys in the top 10 to maybe replace a 25-year-old in two years.

Poz51 · 05-21-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepThreat

You clearly have no knowledge of Dick Jauron's scheme. Defensive tackles take up blockers and defensive ends rush the passer. There is no way Star could play defensive end in Jauron's defense. Teams don't draft guys in the top 10 to maybe replace a 25-year-old in two years.

I have plenty of knowledge of Dick Jauron's scheme, as well as the lack of flexabilty and inability to think outside the box and adapt to the times, as well as his "simplistic" approach to the game which helped him to somehow maintain his job after 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons in Buffalo, which were some of the most uninspired, boring, losing football I have ever seen. I also know his one dimensional approach to personnel, that led to the Bills reaching on Maybin, and the results that followed. Maybe Jauron is on to something, maybe not.
Have you watched Star play? Seen his first step, or how quickly he gets into the backfield? How disruptive he is? He is drawing comparisons to Holati Ngata for a reason, and that type of flexability is where I was going with the pick, and for drafting a a guy to replace a guy in two years, which will be one after next year, the Giants have drafted dline depth multiple times in the first round, while spending $$ on DT depth for the whole line rotation and it has worked out for them...

I did state:
I did not take into consideration the Hughes pick, nor that they drafted Billy Winn I believe, so even thought I think Star has the potential to be the best of the lot, I would agree that it does not make sense, and probably should be changed, but its too early/late for that...
So in the end your right.

Poz51 · 05-21-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fischbowl

Buffalo no longers runs a 3-4, the Jones pick is bollocks

Thanks for the news flash.

My point was Jones can do it all on the field, but let me clear it up for you.

Jones is just an all around beast. Jones is a true football player who plays with passion, and aggression (The kind of guy you want on your team). Jones can do it all(play 4-3, 3-4, stay on the field for Hybrid looks and all 3 downs), cover, rush the passer and tackle. Scheme flexible (Can play in any 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, 2-4-5, 46, 4-4-3, Nickel, Dime, Stack, Flex, Goaline, Quarter, Prevent or any hybrid defense) and already acclimated to the 3-4 (Can rush the passer, drop into coverage (i.e. cover tight ends such as Gronk and Hernandez, and backs such as Bush out of the backfield), understand a variety of defenses, or learn a new style and flurish). A three down player, who makes plays in any situation. His injury history is the only factor at this point that pushes him down the board.

I'll add that he can play the strong side in a 4-3 defense, stay on the field for sub-packages and if all of that is bollocks, then its a horrible pick...

Poz51 · 05-21-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by indyfan1985

Horrible draft for the Colts. First, they WONT be drafting 1st overall, bank on it. Getting Luck instantly adds 2 more wins than what they had last year. Plus they actually have an offense now with Luck, Fleener, Allen, Wayne, Collie, and Hilton all for Luck to utilize.

Give then CB David Amerson in the 1st, and either OLB Sean Porter or Alex Okafor in the 2nd to help out their defense.

The order as I said I had not put much thought into, last year I think I had Cincy picking first, Cleveland 4th... Who knows, what if Luck gets hurt? What if I posted the same #1 pick last year at this time, what would you have said? Probably something like this: "Horrible draft for the Colts. First, they WONT be drafting 1st overall, bank on it." followed by Peyton Manning, blah, blah, blah. I can understand the offense being better, but a Rookie QB, 34 year old #1 WR, 2 rookie TE's, a concusion issue in Collie and rookie in the slot, with a converting defense with few, if any pieces does not inspire me, nor would I bank on two more wins with a defense that likely wont be able to stop anyone. I do like what they are building for the long term though.

Seems like a rebuilding team that could likely be picking #1 to me...
Amerson makes sense to me, as would Porter or Okafor depending on how things shake down. Whats wrong with Hunt?

Poz51 · 05-21-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Would be an amazing draft for AZ but rather unlikely

And at least Trent Edwards had a reason to be afraid of contact, Gabbert is just a *****

Unlikely, but who knows?
You might just be right about Gabbert, maybe he pulls a reverse TES, and gets tougher... Maybe not...

njx9 · 05-21-2012, 06:06 PM

for denver, i'd hate pissing away high picks in consecutive years on running backs. i don't dislike the first round pick, but i do think te'o would fit in more with what our front office seems to care about right now (i.e. not DT or CB). *shrug*

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by derza222

Fun read. For the Jets' - I'd be good with McDonald in the first. Safety is definitely a need and he's pretty solid from what I've seen, could certainly see him going in that range. But Mosley in the second isn't a great pick. The Jets took Demario Davis in the third round this past year to be Scott's successor. He'll at least play in sub packages this year, and between him and Scott they should be set at that spot. Lots of positions would be better to look at there particularly DE/OLB, RT, G (both starting guards are FA's after the season), RB (Shonn Greene is a FA after the season), and TE (Dustin Keller is a FA after the season).

Thank you for the info on Davis, I was under the impression for some reason that he was going to play OLB. Mosley is a guy I think can do it all, but have not put enought time in on him to say for sure. So I will keep that in mind, as well as the G's, RB and TE being FA's after the season. Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it!

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang

The Colts will need a replacement for Wayne in the future, but I just think our first pick would be better utilized on a CB, S, or OLB/DE. I would rather end up with Amerson or Johnathan Banks in the first. Depending on where we pick I would love to see Eric Reid or Robert Lester in the 2nd.

I can certainly respect your opinion, and it makes sense. For me, I would build around Luck first and foremost, then concentrate on the defense, IMO Allen rounds out the offense now, and only enhances it in the future. Thats me thought, as Luck with weapons is going to be hard to stop.
The defense however is not looking good, and Amerson would certainly be worthy of the pick IMO, I think the guy is a #1 type talent, top 5 for sure at this point. Banks makes sense, and if they win more this year than I think they will, should be in play, and a S or OLB/DE would make sense as well.
They really can not go wrong in either direction with their switching of defensive scheme, and with the number of holes on the roster in general.
I dont think we'll see either Lester or Reid in the second at this point, but its way to early, and a possibility none the less. What do you think about Margus Hunt?

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cmd34

I know you shouldn't blame a prospect for his school but I have never been impressed with LSU Front 7 players as they transitioned to the NFL, although I tend to love their Secondary players. Another thing is LSU rotates their D Linemen a lot, almost half the game, so I feel like we are not seeing a player who has to slug it out every play and find a way to make plays when they are worn down from a whole game of double teams. I realize the NFL rotates d linemen as well but I want my 1st round picks to be proven players.

You are right that Armstrong being better than the current Cowboys Safeties. Me, you, and D-Unit may be better than the current Safeties. I was high on Armstrong a year ago but didn't like what I saw from him this past season. He guessed wrong too many times and took too many bad angles, which is my exact scouting report/opinion on Gerald Sensabaugh. He has another season to improve and prove me wrong.

Your view on LSU front 7 players is understandable and IMO justified, usually they end up being solid players, but do not live up to the "hype" in the NFL, where as the secondary players tend to do more so. They rotate a ton, which lends to them tending to be fresh the whole game, not having to show their ability to be the man for a whole game which results in their transitioning issues a bit IMO, as you state as well. I think you will see Mingo on the field more this year from what I have read and heard Miles say. I see Mingo as a Jason Taylor type guy, not going to slug it out with Olineman physically, but use his athleticism and quickness to be disruptive and make plays. I will say this about Mingo, he is just as disruptive in the 4th quarter as he is in the first, wether or not the rotation helps IDK, but playing OLB, in a 3-4 scheme IMO will enhance his abilities with the big boys infront of him taking up blockers, where as in a 4-3 at DE I think he would wear down and be less affective, although capable of being effective still. He will never be a hold down the POA guy.
I have not seen alot of Ray Ray from last season, but will go back and take a closer look and will follow him more closely this year, as you are the second person in as many weeks to say something to the effect of: "I liked him better last year than this year, and he seemed to be guessing instead of reacting instinctually." Taking bad angles as well.

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I like it too but I'm not sure if Logan can be the kind of penetrating UT we need next to V-Weasy... Hunter is a favorite of mine but that's mostly based of projection. Marquess Wilson seems like more of a sure pick and has immense upside as well.

I think Logan is a penetrating UT, hopefully he proves me right this year ;)
The WR group this year has some really good looking prospects this year, Hunter could end up at the top of the list, all depends on how he comes back from his injury. I will say this, I was disappointed in myself for not having Wilson in the first when I looked back at my mock, he could end up in the top ten. But I do think this draft has that kind of potential depth.

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by prock

Love Woods, but I prefer Skov to Reddick personally though. Either way, good positions.

I need to put more time in Skov, for some reason what I have seen did not wow me. What in particular do you like more about Skov?

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Knicks and Bucs

If Tampa picks top 5 and cant get Amerson. They have to go QB. If they do this awful again then that means Josh Freeman failed.

I think with Winslow looking like he is a gonner, new coach, new personel, transition time in terms of scheme and new coach, and the division it could be a rough year for the Buc's. I think next year, once coach Schiano gets things settled and gets some of the bad apples out is going to be a better year. I am not sure I would pin it all on Freeman if things take a while to develop, although with what they did offensively in the off-season he certainly will take the majority of the heat. Schiano could want his own guy... Of course they could make it work and have a good season.

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

I can't complain about the N.O. pick.

Taylor has a ton of upside, and it will be interesting to see how he performs this year. One of my early boom or bust guys, if he booms, could be something special.

K Train · 05-22-2012, 10:27 AM

cant compalin about the steelers picks

i think id rather have rhodes and chase thomas, but you got the positions right

Poz51 · 05-22-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by K Train

cant compalin about the steelers picks

i think id rather have rhodes and chase thomas, but you got the positions right

That would be a nice combination... I actually like that a little better than what I have, granted Rhodes comes back healthy.

Robcards · 05-22-2012, 11:28 PM

Just an fyi, Jets drafted Bart Scott's successor in Demario Davis 3rd round this year, they called him a potential hall of famer already so highly doubt an early round ILB next year. We also drafted 2 safeties of the future so even though Landry and Bell are 1 yr contracts, doubt the 1st round safety. OLB is the obvious pick, or RT.

Poz51 · 05-23-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

Solid picks for the eagles, especially round 1. Hopefully Boykin steps up this year and we dont need to draft a CB.

I think Flunker fits the mold, and was an easy pick in this mock. I like Boykins alot, although I think he will be nickel guy primarily for his career, I hope he proves me wrong, and the Eagles do not need to draft a CB.

Poz51 · 05-23-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by thebow305

Cant argue with Gholston, but give Miami Ray Ray in the 2nd please!!

Is that the homerism in you, or do you not like Hamilton? I did consider Ray Ray, but felt like WR would be a bigger need with the value being comparable.

Poz51 · 05-23-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

for denver, i'd hate pissing away high picks in consecutive years on running backs. i don't dislike the first round pick, but i do think te'o would fit in more with what our front office seems to care about right now (i.e. not DT or CB). *shrug*

Understandable... Makes sense with what the front office's recent history of ignoring those positions. I do like the Ball/Hillman backfield alot myself with their balance of strengths, but spending two of the top six picks in back-to-back drafts might not be the best option... Te'o would be a good pick...