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Old 05-01-2013, 08:36 AM    (permalink
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I was just saying to my girlfriend that it easily skips your mind that he is Robert's bastard.
If Joffrey dies then Gendry would be the rightful heir on the Baratheon line correct? Would Stannis have more of a claim than Gendry?
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Gendry is the rightful King right now for a few reasons.

- He is Robert's oldest son.
- Stannis' only claim to the throne is that Joffery isn't Robert's and originally wasn't of age when he was to inherent the crown.

So he should be the King. (95% sure this is right although I haven't read the books)
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Gendry is the rightful King right now for a few reasons.

- He is Robert's oldest son.
- Stannis' only claim to the throne is that Joffery isn't Robert's and originally wasn't of age when he was to inherent the crown.

So he should be the King. (95% sure this is right although I haven't read the books)
Yeah that seems right. I totally glossed over Gendry being older than Joffrey for some reason. Also the incest thing. Not sure what I was thinking. Gendry should marry Arya. #powercouple
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Yeah that seems right. I totally glossed over Gendry being older than Joffrey for some reason. Also the incest thing. Not sure what I was thinking. Gendry should marry Arya. #powercouple
When he said "You'd be m'lady" my brain instantly went there. I had to reason with myself that he meant he would be a peasant compared to her.
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When he said "You'd be m'lady" my brain instantly went there. I had to reason with myself that he meant he would be a peasant compared to her.
Same here haha. The writers wanted us to think that originally I believe.
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Joffrey has a brother, so per right now, he'd be king if Joffrey died (since the Lannisters deny incest).

Now if incest were to be proven, I'm not sure who the heir is. Stannis is oldest brother of last true king, while Gendry is oldest son (but baseborn).

Bastard or Brother, I'm actually pretty sure its brother.
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Bastards have to be legitimized in order to be in line for the throne. Stannis is the rightful heir to Robert.
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Gotcha... In theory he would be next in line but for a list of circumstances he isn't.
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Wait. Is there even anyone left alive who knows that Gendry is Robert's bastard?
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Wait. Is there even anyone left alive who knows that Gendry is Robert's bastard?
Gendry's master smith? I don't think they killed him. Also I'm sure Vaerys knows. Did they burn the Baratheon book?
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I'm sure Varys and Littlefinger know, but I'm also pretty sure neither would ever speak of it.
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I'm sure Varys and Littlefinger know, but I'm also pretty sure neither would ever speak of it.
Until an opportunity comes where revealing that information helps them.
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I was just saying to my girlfriend that it easily skips your mind that he is Robert's bastard.
Really? He kinda reminds me of what little we'd seen of Robert every time I see him.
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Bastards have to be legitimized in order to be in line for the throne. Stannis is the rightful heir to Robert.
Quoted for truth.

Gendry is just some random peasant whose mother happened to be impregnated by a king.

The queen wanted him and all bastards dead so that a powerful army couldn't use one of them as a figurehead to rally support around.

Stannis is the oldest brother of a dead king who has no true heirs. The Iron Throne is his by right.

Gendry could become important if a powerful army wanted to use him as a rallying beacon to gain support. However, technically their logic would be flawed because he's not the heir. It still would be better than rallying behind someone who didn't have Baratheon blood and someone clever could always cook up some lie about him being a hidden legitimate son. Most people in the realm are morons and will believe half-lies.
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Quoted for truth.

Gendry is just some random peasant whose mother happened to be impregnated by a king.

The queen wanted him and all bastards dead so that a powerful army couldn't use one of them as a figurehead to rally support around.

Stannis is the oldest brother of a dead king who has no true heirs. The Iron Throne is his by right.

Gendry could become important if a powerful army wanted to use him as a rallying beacon to gain support. However, technically their logic would be flawed because he's not the heir. It still would be better than rallying behind someone who didn't have Baratheon blood and someone clever could always cook up some lie about him being a hidden legitimate son. Most people in the realm are morons and will believe half-lies.
Robert was proof that it doesn't take much of relation to become a King.

I believe his grandmother was Mad King's aunt, or something like that.

Rebels viewed that as enough to crown him.
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There have to be at least a few people that know Gendry is Roberts son. Littlefinger and Varys know everything. Not to mention the people that were sent to kill him. When Joffrey ordered all the bastards killed, that person knows who they all are as well.

Regardless, it's included and enough people know that there will be a reasonable explanation for it coming out.
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When Ned was investigating he was told by the master smith that there was a knight that paid Gendry's apprenticeship fee.
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Annnnd I knew that would happen, so I deleted the posts to go back to real Thrones conversation instead of stupid **** like that.
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There have to be at least a few people that know Gendry is Roberts son. Littlefinger and Varys know everything. Not to mention the people that were sent to kill him. When Joffrey ordered all the bastards killed, that person knows who they all are as well.

Regardless, it's included and enough people know that there will be a reasonable explanation for it coming out.
Just a note, it was Cersei who ordered the bastards killed, Joffrey is clueless to their existence.
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Just a note, it was Cersei who ordered the bastards killed, Joffrey is clueless to their existence.
That's not what the show implies. On the show, there's a conversation between Tyrion and Cersei that suggests she didn't know of the baby killing and that Joffrey gave the order. I'm not sure how it goes down in the books, but on the show it's 100% implied that Joffrey killed the bastards.
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