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Old 05-13-2013, 12:39 PM    (permalink
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Wait, people are seriously bitching about Theon getting tortured? After Joffrey Theon's the most dislikeable main character in the show. **** Theon, **** him for being a whiny little ****, **** theon for betraying his friends and true family, **** theon for being such a bitchy little doormat. They can keep torturing Theon into next season for all I care, cause this storyline is the most I've enjoyed any theon scenes.
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That storyline is just not engaging at all, I don't care how much psychopathy and nudity they throw into it.
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^. I dislike Theon as much as the next person but his scenes are completely and utterly pointless, and I would much rather they spend that screentime on something relevant like <insert any other storyline here>. Though his scene in this episode actually had relevance for the first time since his "escape" (and that was simply to confirm what was implied in the books that he does, in fact, lose his manhood).
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Wait, people are seriously bitching about Theon getting tortured? After Joffrey Theon's the most dislikeable main character in the show. **** Theon, **** him for being a whiny little ****, **** theon for betraying his friends and true family, **** theon for being such a bitchy little doormat. They can keep torturing Theon into next season for all I care, cause this storyline is the most I've enjoyed any theon scenes.
He got castrated. I mean, I'm all for revenge and having people get what is coming to them, but still it was disturbing. Seeing the fear in someone's eyes right before their balls get cut off is horrifying. I have a high tolerance for most things, but damn that takes it too far.
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I'm certain they are going somewhere with that story.
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I agree. I'm sure the torturing and the torturers will become relevant.

Also I'm betting that Arya and the Hound become a team of sorts. Obviously they will have animosity towards each other initially, but I could see them explaining their stories to each other and slowly growing close. Sort of like Jamie and Brienne.
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Jaime seem like an entirely different guy.

I don't think the old, "throw kids out of a window" Jamie would give 2 s**** about Brienne.
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I don't think the old, "throw kids out of a window" Jamie would give 2 s**** about Brienne.
Being a prisoner for god knows how long and having your hand chopped off will change a guy.
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Well it depends how you look at it. He did what it took to protect his sister (the things he does for love...) just as he did what it took to protect Brienne. One act was pretty horrible while the other was a mixture of heroic/stupid, but they can be looked at similarly.
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I think that's been the main point of Jamie's storyline thus far. Showing how he has changed and also getting to know him and his background better. He's become much more likable (I know a lot of people liked him before, but in a different way) and you actually start to feel a bit bad for him.
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Well it depends how you look at it. He did what it took to protect his sister (the things he does for love...) just as he did what it took to protect Brienne. One act was pretty horrible while the other was a mixture of heroic/stupid, but they can be looked at similarly.
Exactly, he kind of did what he had to do with Bran. If Bran tells everyone that he saw Jamie and his sister boning, the Lannister's claim to the throne is completely ******.
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^. I dislike Theon as much as the next person but his scenes are completely and utterly pointless, and I would much rather they spend that screentime on something relevant like <insert any other storyline here>. Though his scene in this episode actually had relevance for the first time since his "escape" (and that was simply to confirm what was implied in the books that he does, in fact, lose his manhood).
Yeah, but that actually makes me enjoy seeing the torture more, cause I'm hating Theon not just for what a ball-less twat he is, or for what he's done, or how he's screaming mercy like the ***** that he is, but also because I'm being forced to watch him instead of of the numerous, far more interesting characters. I do agree in principle though that they could've done with less than half as much Theon this season and just let him getting tortured off screen until whatever happens happens, but it's actually been surprisingly effective for me.

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He got castrated. I mean, I'm all for revenge and having people get what is coming to them, but still it was disturbing. Seeing the fear in someone's eyes right before their balls get cut off is horrifying. I have a high tolerance for most things, but damn that takes it too far.
*shrug* I didn't find that scene very disturbing at all, you see theon get grabbed by two guys and then they dropped focus, whoopedidoo. I agree with the it's all pointless argument a hell of a lot more than this.

PS I've been waiting for Arya and the Hound to venture off together since she first saw him with the Brotherhood. It's gunna be so great, we're gunna get to see how much smarter and more resourceful Arya is than Sansa who pussied out of venturing home with the Hound. Plus I think there'll be a little of Arya and the faceless man from last season action going on. And how awesome was arya's "He's not my one true god" bit?
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Yeah the Arya/Hound storyline should be awesome sauce.
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Finally saw the episode. I'm with everyone complaining about the Theon storyline at this point. Every week it's just a new way to torture him and I'm getting sick of it.

When Jamie tells his story in the bath at Harrenhall is when he became likeable to me. Once you understood his motivation in what happened to betray the Mad King is when you realized he just had to make a crappy decision either way.
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Jamie killing a guy they called the Mad King was never a reason for me not to like him, if anything I always wondered why people gave him **** for killing such a horrible guy.

Jamie was made unlikeable to me for pushing Bran, attacking Ned, and killing the people he killed after he was captured.
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I'm still not over him pushing Bran out the window, no matter how "likable" and redeemed they try to make him. That's really the only thing I've got against him though.
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Jamie killing a guy they called the Mad King was never a reason for me not to like him, if anything I always wondered why people gave him **** for killing such a horrible guy.

Jamie was made unlikeable to me for pushing Bran, attacking Ned, and killing the people he killed after he was captured.
He only attacked Ned because he thought Ned ordered Tyrion to be captured for no reason. Nothing really unlikable about that to me.
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"Kingslayer" is an honorable title after the bath scene, but Jaime isn't an honorable man. Still, he's my favorite character and has been for a while.
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Jamie killing a guy they called the Mad King was never a reason for me not to like him, if anything I always wondered why people gave him **** for killing such a horrible guy.

Jamie was made unlikeable to me for pushing Bran, attacking Ned, and killing the people he killed after he was captured.
It wasn't so much him killing the king as it is his position when he did it. The King's guard makes a sacred vow to protect the king. If Ned or Robert or even Tywin waltzed up and took the Mad King's head off I don't think anyone would care but since it was a member of the king's guard its a problem. Oath breakers aren't looked upon kindly in Westeros as shown in episode 1.
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Thanks Broth. That's what I was getting at. It's not that he killed the Mad King it's the fact he did it as the head member of the King's Guard.
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I think people are forgetting that Jaime was ******* his sister and pushed a little boy out of a window. Even in Westeros I'd rather be called Kingslayer than sister ******.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:18 AM    (permalink
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I think people are forgetting that Jaime was ******* his sister and pushed a little boy out of a window. Even in Westeros I'd rather be called Kingslayer than sister ******.
It's not all that uncommon in Westeros, so I'm not sure why you're taking that stance.
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It's not all that uncommon in Westeros, so I'm not sure why you're taking that stance.
No, it's pretty uncommon. The Targaryens are famed for it, but they hail from Valyria in Essos. Walder Frey is the only other one I can think of, and he's looked down upon for it.
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No, it's pretty uncommon. The Targaryens are famed for it, but they hail from Valyria in Essos. Walder Frey is the only other one I can think of, and he's looked down upon for it.
You're right, I meant in the world that GRRM created, not Westeros, but I just woke up and you know how that goes.
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