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Old 06-03-2013, 02:01 AM    (permalink
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I just don't see the point in building up likeable/honorable characters and having them get **** on like that. Yes, i understand that the whole point of the story is to show how loyalty and honor don't always prevail, but for ******* once it would be nice to see the reader/viewer get rewarded with a win for the good guys. Whatever. Only storyline i care about now is Khaleesi.
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lets be honest the stark family is pretty dumb

Ned Stark was a fool and Robb just thought he could walk in and borrow Frey's army after not honoring Frey's request earlier. Robb was a terrible leader as well.
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lets be honest the stark family is pretty dumb

Ned Stark was a fool and Robb just thought he could walk in and borrow Frey's army after not honoring Frey's request earlier. Robb was a terrible leader as well.
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What exactly made Robb a terrible leader?
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What exactly made Robb a terrible leader?
He's naive. Like his father.
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Yep. I haven't read the books but even I was thinking "does he really think Frey will just be all cool with him after going back on his word"

plus he was too honorable just like his father, which just doesn't work. He lost pretty much half of his army when he beheaded Rickard Karstark for killing some useless lannister boys, and that then led him to having to beg for Frey's forces and thinking that would actually fly

Arya and Jon Snow are the only starks who are worth anything, sadly, I don't think Jon Snow will be around much longer(Just guessing). Seems the more "good" you are, the more likely you are to die in this series

Jaime Lannister seems like the perfect balance so far. He's a prick and has done some nasty things, but you still feel like he's not so bad, especially with what we've seen development wise with his character this season
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Yep. I haven't read the books but even I was thinking "does he really think Frey will just be all cool with him after going back on his word"

plus he was too honorable just like his father, which just doesn't work. He lost pretty much half of his army when he beheaded Rickard Karstark for killing some useless lannister boys, and that then led him to having to beg for Frey's forces and thinking that would actually fly

Arya and Jon Snow are the only starks who are worth anything, sadly, I don't think Jon Snow will be around much longer(Just guessing). Seems the more "good" you are, the more likely you are to die in this series

Jaime Lannister seems like the perfect balance so far. He's a prick and has done some nasty things, but you still feel like he's not so bad, especially with what we've seen development wise with his character this season
Robb didn't really have any choice after banging Jayne and rejecting the Frey girl. The Lanister boys were under his protection and were being held as hostages without hostages there is no reason to stay in line. If he lets Rickard Karstark go he loses face and looks like a push over that can't control his men. As for reaching out to Lord Frey, he did get the heir to River Run, The Tulleys are just as powerful as the Starks. But the real big deal in this is that they ate of his bread and salt.
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I'm not going to lie, I didn't see that coming and it stunned the **** out of me. The silent ending to the episode and the credits perfectly summed it up.

But as others have noted, that naivety is the signature Stark move. They are honorable to a fault and it ***** them in the ass. The show is called Game of Thrones for a reason. The Starks don't know how and refuse to play the game and it has continually bit them in the ass since the series began.

Arya seems like she could potentially be different in this sense. I had hope for Jon, but I feel like bailing on Ygritte after she had his back could come back to haunt him.

Looking back on all the Stark/Frey scenes in the episode, they actually subtly dropped hints that something was off the entire time. I always felt uncomfortable and I wasn't quite sure why. Even the whole bedding scene felt super uncomfortable (for me at least). Then right as I was about to accept it all, BOOM everyone dies. Perfectly done if you ask me.
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When the music started playing ****, you know something was about to go down. The ending of that scene was so ******* good; I still don't know if that just ******* happened.
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I can't belive so many people liked Robb, he was not even one of my top 5 favorite characters... just so many bad decisions. Also, Jon Snow isn't as naive as Robb, I think you guys underrate him.
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I liked Robb for a few reasons. I mean there is the whole Ned's oldest son but what I really liked was how he seemed to be a great military mind and wasn't an arrogant prick like everyone else. He wanted to avenge his fathers murder and just wanted to be left alone in the north.

On a separate note. What is going to happen to his Uncle/Great Uncle. Where they part of this? The Great Uncle left and obviously his uncle got married. If they weren't part of this are they going to turn on Frey and Bolton?
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But you guys are missing Bran in the Starks who aren't starking too hard category.
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Arya is the only smart one of the Stark family, and it's why she's still standing. Okay, it's why she's breathing whilst being carried around by The Hound.
Arya isn't smart, shes just too young to be killed for playing "the game of thrones" like the rest of her dead family.

Bran and Rickon are also too young and separated from opportunities to play the game or be involved in it, but Bran seems like hes smart. Jon is in a completely different world with completely different rules and hes has been playing a game that conflicts with his honour for this entire season. He might seem smart enough to have gotten himself as far as he is now. Sansa, despite being naive and constantly getting played, is actually in the most favourable position of any of the Starks and is picking up on "the game" by being surrounded by people like Littlefinger, the Queen of Thorns, Varys and Tyrion. She is also the only one who has constantly been in a situation where she has had to play the game.
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