Hard Knocks with the Dolphins

[TheBoyWonder22]

I like how she made fun of him for that hot as ush ****. I'm pretty sure that's at the very least his fiancé.

[M.O.T.H.]

All their gfs and wives are so hot. haha.

[Da-Phins]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

All their gfs and wives are so hot. haha.

Atleast Miami has something good to write home about.

[K Train]

its awesome seeing the conversation of people getting traded

finiishing episodes with tannehill signing, chad getting cut, tannehill getting named the starter and moore being pissed, and vontae being traded.....the dolphins werent as boring as i thought

wtf with tannehill not knowing the divisions????

[Giantsfan1080]

That was shocking about Tannehill.

[ChiFan24]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....Vontae Davis is borderline ********. God bless him, I hope he succeeds in Indy but he is not a smart human being.

And normally I don't say things like this because nothing beats good old fashioned porn (or real live women, if you're into that sort of thing) but I loved the screen time the players' wives got. So hot.

[TheBoyWonder22]

He can't catch a pass...I could almost hear them breaking up. Especially since he's a guy who takes being a football player very seriously even though he isn't good enough to be one right now. Basically what I learned from this episode was that Ireland is every bit the condescending asshole I assumed he was.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by ChiFan24

I've said it before and I'll say it again....Vontae Davis is borderline ********. God bless him, I hope he succeeds in Indy but he is not a smart human being.

I always love hearing the professional diagnosis of message board doctors.

[ChiFan24]

Originally Posted by Ness

I always love hearing the professional diagnosis of message board doctors.

Well if you insist on knowing my qualifications, I sat in the same small lecture room as him for two different classes. Not the most exact science, but I didn't realize I needed to administer an IQ test to know that the guy is an idiot. Also didn't realize that intelligence level was typically a part of a doctor's diagnosis.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by ChiFan24

Well if you insist on knowing my qualifications, I sat in the same small lecture room as him for two different classes. Not the most exact science, but I didn't realize I needed to administer an IQ test to know that the guy is an idiot. Also didn't realize that intelligence level was typically a part of a doctor's diagnosis.

You said borderline ********, not simply that he's an idiot. Being mentally ******** is actually a diagnosis that qualified practitioners make. Unless you were just speaking hyperbole. Is it true that Vontae is mentally ********? Or maybe he just has a learning disability? Or maybe it's something else? He can be an idiot without being ********. Just saying. Sorry to sound brash, but it just irks me when people throw around that term loosely. The same things were being said about Frank Gore a while back without an official basis for a conclusion, but he doesn't seem like an idiot to me.

[ChiFan24]

Well, yes, I was using it in the colloquial sense. I think he's extremely stupid. Since Vontae likely doesn't post here I figured nobody would be offended.

For shits and giggles I Googled his Wonderlic and found that he got a 33. And I actually did know that, come to think of it, because I remember being absolutely shocked based on the classes I had with him. And this show has reinforced that shock. So....I don't know, maybe he just seems like an idiot. I can't be the only one that's wondering how one would cheat on the Wonderlic, though.

[Docta]

Originally Posted by Ness

You said borderline ********, not simply that he's an idiot. Being mentally ******** is actually a diagnosis that qualified practitioners make. Unless you were just speaking hyperbole. Is it true that Vontae is mentally ********? Or maybe he just has a learning disability? Or maybe it's something else? He can be an idiot without being ********. Just saying. Sorry to sound brash, but it just irks me when people throw around that term loosely. The same things were being said about Frank Gore a while back without an official basis for a conclusion, but he doesn't seem like an idiot to me.

Well, they used to call people who had Down Syndrome idiots, so unless he has DS, don't see how that would be acceptable either. No need to call them ******** anymore anyway, since we pretty much know what their conditions are. He was obviously exaggerating, too.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by K Train

wtf with tannehill not knowing the divisions????

That was really hard to watch. I've seen players not knowing the next few teams on their schedule, which I guess I could understand, but the division thing kind of shocks me. He really didn't know anything.

He mentioned he wasn't a huge fan of pro football, just the game...which I can see as an explanation, but I just haven't seen something like that before at the pro level. It was really weird. Hopefully he knows that he's playing Tom Brady twice a year. Might be important.

[Ness]

I also thought it was weird that Ireland didn't tell Davis what he was traded for when he was asked. He simply turned around from his chair and replied "A couple of picks...." and had a look on his face in the realm of "Don't worry about what we traded you for Vontae" while a long awkward silence ensued and you could tell the camera skipped a few frames to the "goodbye" part of the discussion.

I mean, he's just going to find out later via the media. Why don't you just tell him what he was traded for? Maybe he told him off camera or something afterward.

[dolphinfan2k5]

Maybe he thought it might be offensive to tell him to his face, since he was a 1st round pick. It was a bit odd though. And Vontae is an interesting guy. He definitely has some sort of emotional or intellectual issue, but I honestly don't think he is just dumb, despite how dumb he seems. I think his voice makes him seem a lot less intelligent than he is.

[niel89]

I thought it was actually nicer to not specify what they traded him for. Players probably don't value picks like a GM or even fans do.

I don't think Philbin is a bad guy at all, but he wouldn't be my first choice to play for. I'm not sure I'd fight for that guy.

I love the GM footage. I could watch an entire season of just the operations side of a team. All those energy shots and his kids in the office really drive home how many hours a guy like that has to work.

It's pretty awesome to see the story lines that they made exciting so far. Even with the QB battle already settled. I wasn't enthralled with the Dolphins as the team, but it honestly doesn't ******* matter. The production values are superb also.

[ChiFan24]

I do feel bad saying that about Vontae. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, and he's been of my favorite players since college. It just seems like the consensus of the Dolphins staff is the same as mine - he doesn't seem capable of "getting it." Maybe he's not dumb, but something seems odd there. Maybe he has other things on his mind, like the fact that his brother murdered a guy with a hammer. I probably wouldn't be fully invested in anything either. I hope he plays well in Indy (after week 1).

[Ness]

Well at least Davis is going to a team that looks like it might have a bright future sooner rather than later.

[TheBoyWonder22]

Does anyone else think it's weird that their best defensive player Cameron Wake has received like 30 seconds of air time?

[dolphinfan2k5]

Originally Posted by TheBoyWonder22

Does anyone else think it's weird that their best defensive player Cameron Wake has received like 30 seconds of air time?

Yes. He's a good story and hard worker too.

[K Train]

Originally Posted by TheBoyWonder22

Does anyone else think it's weird that their best defensive player Cameron Wake has received like 30 seconds of air time?

HBO puts the show together really well with the story lines, i could definitely use less of les brown and practice squad DTs and more cam wake though

[K Train]

Originally Posted by niel89

I thought it was actually nicer to not specify what they traded him for. Players probably don't value picks like a GM or even fans do.

I don't think Philbin is a bad guy at all, but he wouldn't be my first choice to play for. I'm not sure I'd fight for that guy.

I love the GM footage. I could watch an entire season of just the operations side of a team. All those energy shots and his kids in the office really drive home how many hours a guy like that has to work.

It's pretty awesome to see the story lines that they made exciting so far. Even with the QB battle already settled. I wasn't enthralled with the Dolphins as the team, but it honestly doesn't ******* matter. The production values are superb also.

they put you on the edge of your seat for a 3rd quarter preseason game, its amazing production.

Ending episode 1 with tannehill signing, ep 2 with chad being cut, ep 3 with tannehill winning the starting job, and episode 4 with vontae being traded. awesome story lines to follow.

i thought the conversation about him getting traded was awesome "i gotta gotta call my grandma, but ay ay whadyall trade me for?"

[GaMeTiMe]

Originally Posted by Ness

I mean, he's just going to find out later via the media. Why don't you just tell him what he was traded for? Maybe he told him off camera or something afterward.

Exactly, he's going to find out anyway, likely 5 mins after leaving the office...so why get into specifics about the trade talks/how each team valued him? He was officially no longer a member of the organization at that point and has no business getting that kind of information from a GM, especially one that is no longer his.

Not saying he shouldn't have asked, but Ireland responded exactly how I'd expect him to.

The Tannehill thing with the divisions surprised me too, but I see it as more of a positive..kind of made me think he doesn't pay much attention to "storylines" and such, he's just there to play. Doesn't mean he's gonna trot out there twice a year against the Pats and be the only player on the field unaware of the ramifications, he just doesn't immerse himself in the current and past rivalries around the league. He'll naturally learn the landscape of the divisions as he moves along.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by GaMeTiMe

Exactly, he's going to find out anyway, likely 5 mins after leaving the office...so why get into specifics about the trade talks/how each team valued him? He was officially no longer a member of the organization at that point and has no business getting that kind of information from a GM, especially one that is no longer his.

So then what's the point of hiding information that he'd likely find out the next day? Really, I don't see the reason for acting all secret about it. The rest of America aren't members of the Dolphins organization either. It literally doesn't matter. Might as well answer the question instead of trying to hide something that can't be hidden. It's not like it's a matter of national security. Just seemed like a dick move to me.

Originally Posted by K Train

HBO puts the show together really well with the story lines, i could definitely use less of les brown and practice squad DTs and more cam wake though

Haven't the majority of Hard Knocks episodes focused on either rookies or players that have a tough shot at making the team?

[WCH]

I think that the GMs and HCs probably don't want to be doing the show in the first place, and probably also don't want to be filmed discussing anything related to their standard operating procedures.