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Old 06-14-2012, 04:50 AM    (permalink
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While he couldn't break into the nba, David Lighty still plays pro ball overseas. He's expressed interest in playing football and may try out for the NFL if he never gets another shot at the NBA.

He's a WR/TE type. Played football in HS and was recruited by tressel as well as other football teams.

I think Hardin has the frame and the attitude to make a good outside lb/de or TE (just like everyone else).

Big Baby would have been a good outside OT.

Lots of these quick point guards would make great CBs (in the low contact style of Deion Sanders not antione Winfield).

Centers may have a goal line role but maybe too easy to occupy at the LOS by a skilled safety that is very physical. Youd still need to be an athletic 7' guy if it were to work (Dwight obviously comes to mind).

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Would be really interesting to see how such a tall team would fare, though. Don't know that it's a matter of tall guys not being good at football so much as the elite, tall athletes gravitating to basketball. I mean, Jonathan Ogden's 6'9", Gronk's pushing 6'7", Jared Gaither's 6'9", Leonard Pope's 6'8", Kellen Davis is 6'7", Harold Carmichael Was 6'8", Calais Campbell is 6'8"... there's quite a few.
Absolutely right. Those are some of the tallest players in League history. Whereas if you remove Rondo and Westbrook, your absolute shortest player is 6'7"

There are very few players i the NBA who fit the "stereotypical" body-type of NFL players. That's the main reason I listed DeJuan Blair. At 6'7 270, he could legitimately have a Julius Peppers-type profile.

I'm sure there are more but it's just a fact that NBA players are taller and thinner.
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There are very few players i the NBA who fit the "stereotypical" body-type of NFL players. That's the main reason I listed DeJuan Blair. At 6'7 270, he could legitimately have a Julius Peppers-type profile.
Julius Peppers type eh? And at which institute of higher learning did DeJuan Blair attend?
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Blair went to Pittsburgh, but he's injured both of his ACL's, so it'd never happen.
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Blake Griffin is more Julius Peppers than Blair is. In his prime, Peppers had freakish speed/explosiveness/overall athleticism.
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Blake Griffin is more Julius Peppers than Blair is. In his prime, Peppers had freakish speed/explosiveness/overall athleticism.
There was rumors floating around Panthers camp that Peppers could run in the 4.4's while wearing pads at 6'6, 280. Now I don't know if they were ever true, but I remember the Panthers lining Peppers up at WR in a game against the Patriots and he did not look uncomfortable there. Peppers is easily one of the most athletic players I've ever personally watched in the NFL...Guys that big shouldn't move that fluidly.
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Body type, yes.
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Blake Griffin is 4 inches taller and 40lbs lighter than Julius Peppers.

I'm talking body types.
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I think most NBA players could find somewhere to play in the NFL. What about Dwight Howard as a tight end?
You need to check out the combine numbers for the NBA players. Strong players put up the 185lb bench 10-12 times, nostep verts are 33-35, 3/4 court sprint (about 25yds) are all over 3sec. The fact is NBA players are no where near the athlete when it comes to explosiveness, and strength as NFL players. NBA players would get murdered in the nfl.
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Body type, yes.

Blake Griffin is 4 inches taller and 40lbs lighter than Julius Peppers.

I'm talking body types.
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Blake Griffin is 6'8, not whatever reported (inflated) height chart you googled.
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Reggie Evans with his size, and hustle would do well somewhere.
Matt Barnes was actually a great WR in HS.
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You need to check out the combine numbers for the NBA players. Strong players put up the 185lb bench 10-12 times, nostep verts are 33-35, 3/4 court sprint (about 25yds) are all over 3sec. The fact is NBA players are no where near the athlete when it comes to explosiveness, and strength as NFL players. NBA players would get murdered in the nfl.
There are more guys in the NBA with 35+ inch verts than there are in the NFL.
THe NFL has the best combo of big/fast/strong athletes, but on the other hand there are dozens of guys in the NBA who chose basketball over football because they liked the sport more.

Charles Barkley at 6'4, 300# had the physical tools to be an all-pro lineman on either side of the football.
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You'd think so but oddly enough I'm not sure that's true. Like at this year's NBA Combine, of the guys who participated only one player jumped at least 35" (with no step like in the NFL).

http://www.nbadraft.net/2012-nba-com...ticism-results
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If we're going old school, I would have loved to have seen Dennis Rodman and Magic Johnson in the NFL. David Thompson would have been a ridiculous WR.

It's ridiculous to expect someone from the NBA to immediately step onto a football field and compete. They are two different sports entirely. I would probably bet a good 90% of the NFL couldn't come close to being respectable on an NBA court either. Some would get by on athletic talent, true. But if LeBron James was groomed from pee-wee football onward to being the greatest football player on earth, I doubt there are many who would think he wouldn't be a freaking STAR in the NFL.

I think baseball players, from a physical standpoint, are easier to slot into NFL positions. NBA players are just genetic freaks for the most part. I'd love to see Joe Mauer and Josh Hamilton on the football field. It'd be tough to find linemen though.
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Blake Griffin is 6'8, not whatever reported (inflated) height chart you googled.
The NBA uses "height in shoes" as its base. Griffin measured 6'8 5/8" at the Combine. It doesn't change the fact that, although significantly taller, he weighs 40-50lbs less.

The NFL physique and the NBA physique are simply different. I only used DeJuan Blair's name because his body-type is similar.
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You've also got to consider the fact that if you're a high school kid, and you're pretty athletic but mostly tall and heavy... what other sport are you going to excel at, except maybe wrestling?
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Iman Shumpert coulda been one hell of a Corner with his long arms, size, stength and crazy fast hands and feet.

You're long armed but undersized rebounding PFs like Dorsey, Evans, Landry and Blair would find a spot on a football field. Strong and athletic with great armspans but not too tall to get low on a football field.
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If we're going old school, I would have loved to have seen Dennis Rodman and Magic Johnson in the NFL. David Thompson would have been a ridiculous WR.

It's ridiculous to expect someone from the NBA to immediately step onto a football field and compete. They are two different sports entirely. I would probably bet a good 90% of the NFL couldn't come close to being respectable on an NBA court either. Some would get by on athletic talent, true. But if LeBron James was groomed from pee-wee football onward to being the greatest football player on earth, I doubt there are many who would think he wouldn't be a freaking STAR in the NFL.

I think baseball players, from a physical standpoint, are easier to slot into NFL positions. NBA players are just genetic freaks for the most part. I'd love to see Joe Mauer and Josh Hamilton on the football field. It'd be tough to find linemen though.
I don't think LeBron would've been a star football player. What position is he going to play? TE or DE? At either one his center of gravity is way too high and he'd get manhandled on the line and broken in half on any catch over the middle.
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There was rumors floating around Panthers camp that Peppers could run in the 4.4's while wearing pads at 6'6, 280. Now I don't know if they were ever true, but I remember the Panthers lining Peppers up at WR in a game against the Patriots and he did not look uncomfortable there. Peppers is easily one of the most athletic players I've ever personally watched in the NFL...Guys that big shouldn't move that fluidly.
Julius Peppers might be the most impressive athletic specimen I've seen in any sport. Mario Williams and JPP get shoutouts, but Peppers has the body control and flexibility of JPP with the stupefying size/speed combo of Mario.
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I don't think LeBron would've been a star football player. What position is he going to play? TE or DE? At either one his center of gravity is way too high and he'd get manhandled on the line and broken in half on any catch over the middle.
I have little doubt that LeBron would have been one if not the best TE in NFL history.
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I have little doubt that LeBron would have been one if not the best TE in NFL history.
He's just so tall I can't see him being any good as a blocker or having much durability getting pummelled over the middle. If he played TE the way Finley does, then he might survive an NFL season, but I think the best case scenario for a LeBron NFL career is similar to the one Kellen Winslow has had, great an eplosive started ruined by progressively more debilitating injuries until his athleticism and durability is gone completely. Plus with how long it's taken him to develop any kinda footwork in the post, I'd have my doubts about LeBron ever becoming more than mediocre-to-poor route runner.
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He's just so tall I can't see him being any good as a blocker or having much durability getting pummelled over the middle. If he played TE the way Finley does, then he might survive an NFL season, but I think the best case scenario for a LeBron NFL career is similar to the one Kellen Winslow has had, great an eplosive started ruined by progressively more debilitating injuries until his athleticism and durability is gone completely. Plus with how long it's taken him to develop any kinda footwork in the post, I'd have my doubts about LeBron ever becoming more than mediocre-to-poor route runner.
Well let's put it this way: Jimmy Graham in his 3rd year ever playing football had a more productive season than any TE in NFL history prior to him. Now if Jimmy Graham was slightly taller, faster, could jump higher and was all around a lot more explosive, he'd probably be an even better player and even more productive I'm guessing.

I'm not sure why LeBron is a walking injury in your hypothetical. He could easily play at 6'7-8 270lbs and be stronger and more physical than starting TE's in the league today. The TE position more so than any other position is built for freak athletes and has proven to be very translatable from basketball. So personally, I just wouldn't bet against a guy who is arguably the biggest freak athlete in any sport ever who also happens to be a basketball player with a perfect physical skillset to play TE, not to be amazing at that position. But that's just me.
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There was rumors floating around Panthers camp that Peppers could run in the 4.4's while wearing pads at 6'6, 280. Now I don't know if they were ever true, but I remember the Panthers lining Peppers up at WR in a game against the Patriots and he did not look uncomfortable there. Peppers is easily one of the most athletic players I've ever personally watched in the NFL...Guys that big shouldn't move that fluidly.
I've also heard that when Reggie White came into the NFL, he would routinely outrun the Eagles RBs in the 40. I'm not sure how much truth there is in the White/Peppers legends, but it says a lot about them that people would even make up these stories.

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You need to check out the combine numbers for the NBA players. Strong players put up the 185lb bench 10-12 times, nostep verts are 33-35, 3/4 court sprint (about 25yds) are all over 3sec. The fact is NBA players are no where near the athlete when it comes to explosiveness, and strength as NFL players. NBA players would get murdered in the nfl.
This is true. People generally overestimate the VJ, in particular, of basketball players (Kevin Durant has a 33" no-step VJ). Some very good players have been in the 24-27" range. If you're tall and you have a 33 inch no-step vert, then you can dunk pretty easily. I'd love to see a dunk contest among NFL players during Pro Bowl week.

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The NBA uses "height in shoes" as its base. Griffin measured 6'8 5/8" at the Combine. It doesn't change the fact that, although significantly taller, he weighs 40-50lbs less.

The NFL physique and the NBA physique are simply different. I only used DeJuan Blair's name because his body-type is similar.
I came into this thread to point this out. If you want proof, you can look at the basketball-turned-football players who are in the NFL. They were typically listed about two inches taller when they played college basketball. For example, Jimmy Graham is 6'8" when he plays basketball. Yet, he measured a hair over 6'6" at the NFL combine.

You can also look at NBA combine numbers where they measure players with shoes and without shoes. Dwight Howard, for example, measured 6'9 without shoes (he also had 30.5" VJ, if anybody is wondering). That's tall, but it's not as ridiculously tall as the 6'11 that he's listed at.

So the height difference is overstated and romanticized.

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LeBron James was All State in football in Ohio and had a standing football scholarship offer from the Buckeyes. He was just as much a freak on the football field as he was on the b-ball court.

He'd be a cross between Gronk/Graham; more athletic than Gronkowski and much bigger than Jimmy Graham.

He's the one NBA player playing right now who IMO could attend a pro training camp and be ready to start the season at TE.
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One reason that the NBA combine numbers aren't as good as the NFL combine numbers is that they don't put near as much emphasis on the combine.

Also, leg power equals a higher vertical, they are two completely different sports that requires two different training regiment specializing on different stuff.
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LeBron James was All State in football in Ohio and had a standing football scholarship offer from the Buckeyes. He was just as much a freak on the football field as he was on the b-ball court.

He'd be a cross between Gronk/Graham; more athletic than Gronkowski and much bigger than Jimmy Graham.

He's the one NBA player playing right now who IMO could attend a pro training camp and be ready to start the season at TE.
Its quiet the jump from D3 ALL-OHIO (a lot of allstate guys are barely good enough for D3 ball) to the NFL. Your expectations are a little over the top, imo.
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