Sesame Street MAFIA Game Thread - Grizz (SK) wins! - Page 8

fenikz · 06-21-2012, 04:30 PM

how about this, people who have voted give me some reasoning

TheBoyWonder22 · 06-21-2012, 04:36 PM

SP seems to have acted way too normally for a day one. Typically when he does that he's bad. Especially considering the way Broth acted. Normally he would have jumped all over that. Which makes me think Broth might be evil to, but that's probably a longshot.

D-Unit · 06-21-2012, 04:50 PM

Who hasn't voted?

fenikz · 06-21-2012, 04:53 PM

everyone besides you, gonzo, bulldogs, broth and sbh

SuperMcGee · 06-21-2012, 04:54 PM

Everyone.

Me.

Brothgar · 06-21-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoyWonder22

SP seems to have acted way too normally for a day one. Typically when he does that he's bad. Especially considering the way Broth acted. Normally he would have jumped all over that. Which makes me think Broth might be evil to, but that's probably a longshot.

"Well, I ain't evil, I'm just good lookin'
Start a little fire, and baby start cookin' "

Dr. Gonzo · 06-21-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Gonzo seems suspicious to me I know this is always his game plan but there is something different about it this time, more defensive maybe

See at least I could get behind this reasoning. D was just pissing, me off and not making sense. If you are going to accuse me at least make sense and provide reasons.

CJSchneider · 06-21-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

I don't think i've had a game where I wasn't suspicious.

I'm looking at CJ closely, I don't think he normally pushes for no lynch and it has been discussed that no lynch is not what an evil person would want, could be trying to stop himself from being suspicious.

You probably could have stopped there.

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Originally Posted by SuperMcgee

I don't want to go all Gonzo here, but I'm pretty sure Shane has been reading our role PMs.

This. There is no loss that is going to completely handicap the town. Attempt something so we don't get stuck in a similar situation tomorrow.

CJ was the first to suggest it, I believe, but I don't find him particularly suspicious.

I am in favor of going no lynch and I will tell you why. SK's love it when we lynch someone. Why? They like to pick off the inactives. I say make them do there own dirty work. That way, we have a better chance of catching them. Also, the odds of killing a town oriented power possessing person are greater than killing the same for the mafia.

vote: no lynch

Shane P. Hallam · 06-21-2012, 05:02 PM

Vote Count

D-Unit (1) – Gonzo,
BoyWonder(1) – Bulldogs,
Woot (1) - Broth
Gonzo (1) – D-Unit,
No Lynch (2) - sbh15, CJSchneider

With 21 people remaining, 11 votes are needed for a majority

SuperMcGee · 06-21-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Also, the odds of killing a town oriented power possessing person are greater than killing the same for the mafia.

They always will be. If they weren't, we would have already lost the game. Well, maybe not in regards to solely power roles, but your strategy of not lynching and overvaluing power roles seems to rely entirely on power roles getting us to victory, which is not a good way to go about things.

D-Unit · 06-21-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo

See at least I could get behind this reasoning. D was just pissing, me off and not making sense. If you are going to accuse me at least make sense and provide reasons.

You brought it on yourself with your ridiculous asking for people to role reveal.

First off, nobody is going to listen to you.

Secondly, it makes you act in a way that is very suspicious... trying to divert attention away from yourself.

Third, by asking that, it puts people in a position that makes them a dangerous target for the mafia. Probably exactly what you're trying to find out.

Fourth, you later cover that up by trying to say you were only "joking" about it.

Fifth, the way you were doing it was in a very cocky manner... but then again, that's just the norm for you in these games.

So I figured, what the hell... I'll give you a dose of your own medicine.

Expectedly, you slithered your way around it.

vidae · 06-21-2012, 05:10 PM

Your reasoning is really weak CJ, and the fact you're still pushing a no-lynch seems weird to me.

sbh15 · 06-21-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Your reasoning is really weak CJ, and the fact you're still pushing a no-lynch seems weird to me.

I know I voted no lynch, but I can get behind this. First glance through his post, something just seemed off about it. I thought we wouldn't come to a consensus on anything but a no lynch. clearly, that is wrong.

unvote: no lynch

Cigaro · 06-21-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMcgee

They always will be. If they weren't, we would have already lost the game. Well, maybe not in regards to solely power roles, but your strategy of not lynching and overvaluing power roles seems to rely entirely on power roles getting us to victory, which is not a good way to go about things.

I don't get this. If you're making a case for the importance of townies and not relying solely on power roles, no lynch still seems quite reasonable, as it means risking one less dead townie.

There was some discussion that voting for no lynch is suspicious, but I think its more likely to be the inverse. The mafia usually always benefits from the day one lynch because of the game setup. Saying that not lynching day one provides no information is perhaps true, but we shouldn't act like lynching day one will always provide us with something meaningful, and may actually lead to further bad lynches because we make something out of nothing. Again, I think those suggesting that we lynch anyways have a somewhat valid point, but it also could be the mafia trying to make a case for forcing a lynch.

Shane P. Hallam · 06-21-2012, 05:16 PM

Vote Count

D-Unit (1) – Gonzo,
BoyWonder(1) – Bulldogs,
Woot (1) - Broth
Gonzo (1) – D-Unit,
No Lynch (1) - CJSchneider

With 21 people remaining, 11 votes are needed for a majority

CJSchneider · 06-21-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Your reasoning is really weak CJ, and the fact you're still pushing a no-lynch seems weird to me.

Let it seem weird, if you are good, you will rely on it as it is what is going to help you. Until a solid case can be made to lynch someone I also feel is evil, my vote stands as it is.

vidae · 06-21-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Let it seem weird, if you are good, you will rely on it as it is what is going to help you. Until a solid case can be made to lynch someone I also feel is evil, my vote stands as it is.

Help me? No. The only people that a no lynch helps is the Mafia. This game is about information. If we don't get information we hurt ourselves. The fact that you don't see that is kind of baffling.

You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Some of you need to resign yourself to the fact that we will not have a perfect game. Townies will be lost. Some of us will die. All that matters is at the end of the game that the rest of the town is standing and the Monsters are hanging from the rafters. Period.

vote : CJ

I don't like the way he has been playing so far.

TheBoyWonder22 · 06-21-2012, 05:32 PM

Shane you missed my SP vote.

Shane P. Hallam · 06-21-2012, 05:34 PM

Vote Count

SuperPack (1) - BoyWonder
D-Unit (1) – Gonzo,
BoyWonder(1) – Bulldogs,
Woot (1) - Broth
Gonzo (1) – D-Unit,
CJSchneider (1) - vidae
No Lynch (2) - sbh15, CJSchneider

With 21 people remaining, 11 votes are needed for a majority

Sorry! I'll get the hang of this soon :D

TheBoyWonder22 · 06-21-2012, 05:35 PM

I like your reasoning Vid. This hard push for no-lynch is unusual especially from CJ. I want to hear CJ's defense, but he's much more suspicious than SP at the moment.
Unvote: SuperPacker

TheBoyWonder22 · 06-21-2012, 05:36 PM

Hahaha sorry Shane.

SuperPacker · 06-21-2012, 05:40 PM

I've been in and out all day so i've not really had the time to really have continued discussion.

CJ pushing hard for a no lynch seems weird to me and "i'm only lynching if i'm sure" is stupid, because nobody can be sure on day one and i'm pretty sure CJ has previously voted for people on day one without making this much of a fuss.

Vote: CJ

Goodnight y'all!

sbh15 · 06-21-2012, 05:47 PM

Shane, for some reason you added my vote back to no-lynch after taking it away. There should be only one vote for no-lynch, and it is CJ.

Cigaro · 06-21-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Help me? No. The only people that a no lynch helps is the Mafia. This game is about information. If we don't get information we hurt ourselves. The fact that you don't see that is kind of baffling.

That's not even close to true. Day one no lynches don't help the mafia, day one lynches do. A day one lynch more than often results in the death of a townsperson, which only benefits the mafia. Day one is the easiest way for the mafia to get a townsperson lynched, to suggest that the opposite is really how the mafia would play it makes no sense.

And stop acting like day two always contains pertinent information that resulted from the previous day's lynch. I've played in a number of games where day two had as little information as day one. We will get some information from lynching someone today, but that it no way means its relevant enough to justify the lynching the lynchee. So its very possible that will be no further along day two, and now we've lynched a likely townsperson to get there.

CJSchneider · 06-21-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoyWonder22

I like your reasoning Vid. This hard push for no-lynch is unusual especially from CJ. I want to hear CJ's defense, but he's much more suspicious than SP at the moment.
Unvote: SuperPacker

Defense of what? My contention thus far is that no one has stood out enough to make me vote to lynch them, and that statistically we stand a greater chance to kill a town person with powers than a mafia member. I don't expect to pull a Matt Cain and throw a perfect mafia game, but I'm not going to vote to kill someone innocent right off the bat.

SP and Vid are fools if they lead you down this line of thinking and you will all see it. That is a fact.