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Old 06-23-2012, 10:45 PM    (permalink
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i love eli and will defend him to the death and think he's under-rated...but he is not number 1. i just can't put him there
Yeah, if he keeps improving and adds another superbowl ring, or two, to his resume, he might get there, but right now he's at the bottom of the top tier behind Brady, Rodgers and Brees.
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:02 PM    (permalink
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The way that people rank Peyton Manning is really stupid and illogical. NFLN for example I think put him in the middle of their top 100 list somewhere. Well when he was healthy he was one of the top 3 overall players in the league, let alone QB, if not THE #1 player overall. He missed last season with a few neck surgeries and now we have no idea how good he will be. If you are going to include him then include him where he was before the injury, don't assume he will not be as good as the elite guys but still better than guys like Stafford and Ryan and Big Ben and Eli. That doesn't make sense, how do we know he's still better than those guys???... even if we assume that he's not as good as Brees/Brady/Rodgers (which is fine).
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:05 PM    (permalink
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Peyton cannot be included in a list until he plays again. Leave room for him in the top 5 just in case, but right now he is impossible to rank.
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:43 PM    (permalink
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The way that people rank Peyton Manning is really stupid and illogical. NFLN for example I think put him in the middle of their top 100 list somewhere. Well when he was healthy he was one of the top 3 overall players in the league, let alone QB, if not THE #1 player overall. He missed last season with a few neck surgeries and now we have no idea how good he will be. If you are going to include him then include him where he was before the injury, don't assume he will not be as good as the elite guys but still better than guys like Stafford and Ryan and Big Ben and Eli. That doesn't make sense, how do we know he's still better than those guys???... even if we assume that he's not as good as Brees/Brady/Rodgers (which is fine).
You clearly don't understand how voting works.

The average player ranking put him in the 50s. That means players didn't rank him and some did. I doubt many players feel he's regressed that much (even if film in 09 would suggest it)
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:47 PM    (permalink
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just do it like the smart people and put an asterisk next to his name.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:26 AM    (permalink
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I agree with the top 10 but I think I would just flip the order of some. Good list though.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:55 AM    (permalink
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Allegedly. Remember scotty, that is the key word. Allegedly.

And I pretty much agree with that list. Peyton, right now, is too high I think. Other than that, solid.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:41 AM    (permalink
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Where is Tim Tebow on this list,he should be top ten easy.
we didn't do fullbacks yet
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Pretty much what I expected and nothing terribly wrong with it. I like Eli at #4. He may be the most clutch QB playing. I would trust the other 3 QBs above him to put the game away in the first 3 quarters, but I trust Eli the most in the 4th. I can see an argument for Came but honestly the QBs on this list are just better than him.
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Cutty shits on Stafford. Pretty good list though.
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:10 PM    (permalink
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Stafford just threw for 41 Td's and 5000+ yards. That is impressive no matter who you are throwing to. I'm a solid Cutler fan and I believe he does an amazing job with garbage around him, but Stafford was great last year.
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I think this is a great list. I had Brady #1, but overall it's very similar to what I had. I like it.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:35 PM    (permalink
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I'm intrigued to see what Jaws' top 20 looks like. ESPN actually did something about actual sports for once. His QB spots are terrific.
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I think that Rodgers and Brady are so close that it's practically a distinction without a difference. I had Rodgers higher just because of homerism.

The vote totals are interesting. It almost breaks down into a series of micro-tiers;

1. Rodgers and Brady
2. Drew Brees
3. Eli and Peyton
4. Big Ben
5. Stafford and Rivers
7. Romo and Cutler

Each "tier" has a 35-40 point difference.

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