2013 Bucs draft. - Page 24

bigbuc · 03-12-2013, 08:31 PM

You can put us down for a TE in the draft... Cause all the good ones signed with teams today

SpinaMan · 03-12-2013, 08:40 PM

Who is going to replace Quincy black?

Legacy · 03-12-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbuc

You can put us down for a TE in the draft... Cause all the good ones signed with teams today

Eifert in the first?

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Originally Posted by SpinaMan

Who is going to replace Quincy black?

My guess is that either Hayward or Watson will replace him and we'll look to improve the position next year. We play a lot of nickel, anyway, so I don't see replacing Black with a draftee or free agent as as much of a priority as fixing the secondary and the pass rush.

bucfan12 · 03-12-2013, 09:06 PM

I would love to trade down for Eifert in the first. I think if we move down with say the Giants or Cowboys, that'd be prime position.

bigbuc · 03-12-2013, 09:44 PM

I don't think we trade for Revis anymore. I would be happy if we get Avril for a 5 year 40 million deal. I think the Browns set the market.

bigbuc · 03-13-2013, 02:10 AM

After thinking about it I really hope we don't give up a picks and 15 million a year for Revis. I'm sorry. He's one hell of a player, but not at that price.

brasho · 03-13-2013, 12:50 PM

I'd be extremely disappointed if the Bucs sign Avril for $8 mil a season when Kruger signed with Cleveland for the same. Avril is better as a nickel pass rusher and fills only one of the two roles Kruger would've played for us.

As for TEs... Dustin Keller, Kellen Davis Fred Davis (not a Buc-man), and a few others are still out there.

At DE, Michael Bennett, Avril, Connor Barwin still out there.

CBs-Sean Smith, DRC, Biggers, Cox, and tons more still out there.

I just pray we don't get Revis. That would be terrible to give up the king's ransom in picks AND salary for one player... NOT WORTH IT!!!

For the record, I like what Seattle has been doing, but they just mortgaged their future and I don't like what they just did... Percy Harvin for a 1, 3, and 7 ANNNNNNDDDDD $12 mil a season per???? He might've been worth the $12 mil, but he wasn't worth the $12 mil and all the picks. Horrible, horrible decision. Very un-Seahawk-like.

bucfan12 · 03-13-2013, 04:22 PM

I agree. I'm torn on Revis but in the end I think Revis and his camp makes Dom's decision an easy one. Will demand too much and jets will want high value in return.

I think we should turn our attention to grimes and Keenan Lewis.

I think the slow market for Michael Bennett has increased te chances of bringing both him and miller back.

I see us addressing TE in the draft.

brasho · 03-13-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

I agree. I'm torn on Revis but in the end I think Revis and his camp makes Dom's decision an easy one. Will demand too much and jets will want high value in return.

I think we should turn our attention to grimes and Keenan Lewis.

I think the slow market for Michael Bennett has increased te chances of bringing both him and miller back.

I see us addressing TE in the draft.

I agree. I'm not big on Grimes. I don't like his injury at all, not at 29.

There's a ton of guys at DE still to like.

There's Paul Kruger Lite, Connor Barwin. Bennett, Avril, and a couple older options.

At CB, Sean Smith, Lewis, Cary Williams, DRC, and some older options again,

SpinaMan · 03-13-2013, 07:27 PM

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Bucs signed LB Jonathan Casillas to a one-year, $3 million contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $3 million, so it's probably incentive laden. Bucs GM Mark Dominik loves stealing from division rivals, and 26-year-old Casillas has flashed every-down tools in spurts the past four seasons. In 2012, he was the Saints' nickel 'backer and recorded 31 tackles in 14 games with one start.

fishspinners · 03-13-2013, 09:32 PM

Look for Schiano to push Dominik into picking OLB Khaseem Greene from Rutgers in the second round.

Legacy · 03-13-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fishspinners

Look for Schiano to push Dominik into picking OLB Khaseem Greene from Rutgers in the second round.

Why would he do that? Even if you ignore the fact that we're reportedly in talks to ship our 2nd round selection to the Jets for Revis, we need defensive line and cornerback help in the worst way, our right tackle situation is a disaster and it's looking like we're going to need a tight end, as well.

Another OLB is the least of our concerns right now, especially since the Bucs play a ton of nickel on defense and any guy we pick up in the draft isn't likely to out-play David or Foster for the two spots in that formation.

bigbuc · 03-14-2013, 01:07 AM

I think with Jonathan Casillas signing drafting a LB goes to the back burner.

If we trade for Revis our needs become TE, 2 CB , RT and Slot WR.

Legacy · 03-14-2013, 01:19 AM

I agree with LB not being a priority right now, though I felt that way even before we signed Casillas. The lack of a pass rush and the sorry state of our secondary are vastly bigger concerns right now.

bigbuc · 03-14-2013, 01:35 AM

I would like to see the trade for Revis, sign Osi and Sedrick Ellis. Then draft Desmond Trufant. I know people think he's a reach at 13, but he's the second best CB in the draft IMO. Has speed and head to play CB in the league. By head he thinks he's the best and acts like it. You need that when going up against Atl's and NO's.

bigfreak314 · 03-14-2013, 04:00 AM

Well apparently the Bucs and Jets are in a stare down, reported by Rich Cimini, citing Tampa refuses to give up their 1st round pick in this year's draft (Thank God!) but are willing to give up 2014's 1st rounder. Revis is due a $1 million roster bonus on Saturday so there could be a "soft" deal in place before than.

SpinaMan · 03-14-2013, 06:22 PM

Kevin Ogletree - WR - Buccaneers
Bucs agreed to terms with WR Kevin Ogletree, formerly of the Cowboys.
Ogletree put up the flukiest game of the 2012 season, catching eight passes for 114 yards and two touchdowns in Week 1. He went on to catch 24 passes in 14 games thereafter. Ogletree, 26 in August, will likely slot in as the No. 3 receiver as the Bucs try and unload Arrelious Benn. Ogletree could face competition from Tiquan Underwood and perhaps a middle-round draft pick.
Related: Cowboys
Source: Rick Stroud on Twitter Mar 14 - 5:12 PM

SpinaMan · 03-14-2013, 07:12 PM

There goes Michael Bennett

Seahawks agreed to terms with DE Michael Bennett, formerly of the Buccaneers, on a one-year, $5 million contract.
All the defensive ends. The Seahawks came out of nowhere and scooped up another talented pass rusher on the cheap in Bennett, just as they did on Wednesday with Cliff Avril. The market for defensive ends is clearly way out of whack, and is much worse than expected. Seattle can now trot out Bennett, Avril, and Bruce Irvin without skipping a beat while Chris Clemons recovers from his torn ACL. Bennett started his career with the Seahawks in 2009 before being cut the same season. He had nine sacks with the Bucs last year, and Seattle could use him at defensive tackle just as it did with Jason Jones in 2012. Veteran free agents John Abraham, Dwight Freeney, and Osi Umenyiora are going to have to settle for well-below-market deals, in all likelihood.

bigbuc · 03-14-2013, 10:43 PM

It's funny Bucs fans are going crazy because of the Bennett deal. But maybe he wanted to leave, maybe when he saw what was out there he said I'm going to sign with the Hawks. The Bucs weren't going to let him play full time anyways. They want the two youngings to play with a 3rd down pass rushing Vet to come in. The Hawks are going to let him play full time with Avril

bigbuc · 03-14-2013, 10:44 PM

I really want Elvis if he gets cut, but if not I'll take Osi.

kBuc5 · 03-14-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbuc

It's funny Bucs fans are going crazy because of the Bennett deal. But maybe he wanted to leave, maybe when he saw what was out there he said I'm going to sign with the Hawks. The Bucs weren't going to let him play full time anyways. They want the two youngings to play with a 3rd down pass rushing Vet to come in. The Hawks are going to let him play full time with Avril

And a one year deal was smart, can cash in if he puts up big numbers.

bigbuc · 03-15-2013, 01:42 AM

Guys the more I think about it the more I think Desmond Trufant is going to be a star in this league. If we trade for Revis, sign Brent Grimes and draft Trufant. I would put our back end up against anyone's in the league.

brasho · 03-15-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbuc

It's funny Bucs fans are going crazy because of the Bennett deal. But maybe he wanted to leave, maybe when he saw what was out there he said I'm going to sign with the Hawks. The Bucs weren't going to let him play full time anyways. They want the two youngings to play with a 3rd down pass rushing Vet to come in. The Hawks are going to let him play full time with Avril

He also was signed originally out of college by the Seahawk and Pete Carroll. He knows Seattle and the organization and probably likes what he left. After Seattle cut him they were likely going to stash him on the practice squad because he was doing very well that preseason.

brasho · 03-15-2013, 08:03 AM

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And a one year deal was smart, can cash in if he puts up big numbers.

It was not smart. He joins Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril, and Bruce Irvin. Bennett will likely be the 3 tech in the nickel and MIGHT start at DE opposite Avril while Clemons is on the mend. His snap count in Tampa was very high and also a huge reason for him posting 9 sacks. He will get far fewer opportunities in Seattle.

Even as a non-starter in Tampa he could've seen 75% of the snaps (easily starter numbers) by playing one of every four series at LDE for Bowers, one of every four series for Clayborn at RDE (50% playing time) and a high percentage of snaps at 3 tech when the Bucs are in nickel and McCoy goes to 1 tech.

I think he should've gone to a team that would get him guaranteed starter snaps. That being said, he may just want a shot at a ring. Seattle is loading up.

brasho · 03-15-2013, 08:20 AM

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Guys the more I think about it the more I think Desmond Trufant is going to be a star in this league. If we trade for Revis, sign Brent Grimes and draft Trufant. I would put our back end up against anyone's in the league.

I liked Trufant before the Senior Bowl, then I came away liking him a lot, after he proved his speed at the Combine, I would be really pleased with him.

Whether it be Grimes (not a fan of 29 year old CBs coming off Achilles injuries) or one of a few other CBs (I hear Biggers is being negotiated with): Brice McCain, AJ Jefferson, DJ Moore could all come in and provide depth and compete for roster spots and grizzled veterans Nnamdi, Tracy Porter, Antoine Cason, Kyle Arrington, Michael Huff, Mike Jenkins, Aqib Talib-yes, that guy, and Stanford Routt all have the ability to win starting jobs.

My preference is that they re-sign Biggers and sign a proven vet-preferably Porter or Cason, and another guy to fight for a roster spot like McCain or Moore and then select a CB in the first two rounds in the draft as well.