The O.C. Game Thread- Town Wins!

[vidae]

And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

Did gonzo send in his kill faster than us that night that i died? The mafia decided my moves although i didnt confirm. I think in the future, even if we are mafia, if im the roleblocker, i should still be able to choose for myself. Just saying. I wouldve blocked gonzo just to save myself.

I sent my kill in before the day ended. Right when that day ended I sent a PM saying I was still killing you. Like I said, I was 99 percent sure you were evil at the point just with the way you had played. I had been saying all that day I was going to investigate or track because I figured I would not be protected again (damn you Forenci!) and would likely die but not be roleblocked so I needed to kill someone evil.

Who did you roleblock? Would you have really killed and roleblocked me?

[Grizzlegom]

Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo

SBH getting himself modkilled ended up really helping the town.

Yes it did. I was trying to get McGee lynched there and then I probably would have stole from SBH again and recruited him while killing someone else.

[Cigaro]

Originally Posted by vidae

And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

I realized later in the game that it was perfectly possible that you won the song but didn't use it. I know you said you used it in other places, but when you were saying that at the end of the game we could ask JR to confirm, you were saying only that we ask him to confirm that you won, not that you used it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Originally Posted by vidae

And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

Hold up. Of course I didn't know. If I wrote that I mispoke. I heavily suspected. In my mind I was either blocked or you were bulletproof. I did not believe you commuted though. Turns out you actually did win that but I did not believe it.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo

I sent my kill in before the day ended. Right when that day ended I sent a PM saying I was still killing you. Like I said, I was 99 percent sure you were evil at the point just with the way you had played. I had been saying all that day I was going to investigate or track because I figured I would not be protected again (damn you Forenci!) and would likely die but not be roleblocked so I needed to kill someone evil.

Who did you roleblock? Would you have really killed and roleblocked me?

Yes i would have. I was 100% sure you wouldve attacked me, but i was out for dinner and vidae decided to let me block woot so that we can clear videa from being a Roleblocker. I didnt get a word in and vidae decided it. JR shouldve waited for my approval. it was my power afterall.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Cigaro

I realized later in the game that it was perfectly possible that you won the song but didn't use it. I know you said you used it in other places, but when you were saying that at the end of the game we could ask JR to confirm, you were saying only that we ask him to confirm that you won, not that you used it.

Yes, because he can't (or shouldn't have) confirmed anything like roles or abilities used. I was saying he would confirm it at the end of the game, not during.

[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by vidae

I'm sorry, I completely disagree with everything you said here.

It does us no good to have some random "evil" town member out there that we can't communicate with. Your contention is that so what, he was still anti town! but the biggest advantage the Mafia has is the ability to speak.

Would you feel the same way if the Mafia couldn't speak at night, but were all anti-town? No, of course not. It goes the same way here.

There are many anti-town roles that you don't count towards the Mafia. Serial Killer, Scavenger, Survivor, etc. A traitor, who doesn't get "recruited" is in the same vein.

IBC saying a Traitor is basically a Townie because he was never found is ludicrous, though. Lets settle on his true status, which is neutral. He can't be lined up as mafia since he's conditional, but since he could become mafia, he can't be completely dismissed. But ultimately, it's a role that benefits the mafia more than the town, and the fact that he went unused or couldn't communicate with the main faction doesn't take that away for me.

I'll agree that the town was more powerful, but I think I played one of my best games ever, so I'm pleased with myself!

[Dr. Gonzo]

Originally Posted by vidae

You are seriously a dumbshit. Read what I said. I didn't want to kill you, Caddy did.

And I am going to kill you every single game I play with you from here on out for the rest of time. If you die the first night you'll know it was me. Every. single. time.

Someone is angry. I wrote this before you said it was all Caddy. Settle down. At least I was right about you playing classic Vidae when evil :)

[Gay Ork Wang]

Originally Posted by TitanHope

IBC saying a Traitor is basically a Townie because he was never found is ludicrous, though. Lets settle on his true status, which is neutral. He can't be lined up as mafia since he's conditional, but since he could become mafia, he can't be completely dismissed. But ultimately, it's a role that benefits the mafia more than the town, and the fact that he went unused or couldn't communicate with the main faction doesn't take that away for me.

I'll agree that the town was more powerful, but I think I played one of my best games ever, so I'm pleased with myself!

i mean at best he wastes one of our abilities for a night. Its not exactly helping us.

[SuperMcGee]

Originally Posted by vidae

And once again, you didn't know ANYTHING. You didn't KNOW I was Bulletproof, you SUSPECTED I was Bulletproof.

Like I said, and JR can confirm, I did correctly guess the song and it did give me a 1x Commute.

You didn't know **** but you're still here claiming you're the greatest. I'm so sick of your crap.

I considered targeting you on the night I killed broth, but decided against it and ended up lucky to do so as Cigaro had jailkept you.

Then I tried the next night and of course I was the one jailkept. Bah. Was really hoping I could prove your bulletproof-ness.

[Brothgar]

My thoughts

JR did a great job modding the game considering it was your first mod. The design was slightly flawed but you admitted to that.

I think if I'm with the town I'm going to have to kill Grizz on spec day 1 I was in awe of how he worked this game.

I was sure vidae and Caddy were in trouble several times and they escaped with their lives well done by the two of them.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo

Someone is angry. I wrote this before you said it was all Caddy. Settle down. At least I was right about you playing classic Vidae when evil :)

Like I was evil in the SS game? Oh wait. :)

[Dr. Gonzo]

Originally Posted by vidae

Like I was evil in the SS game? Oh wait. :)

That was actually awesome because I knew you weren't evil. I was right there with you going after Woot and loving every second. This game you and Caddy went after me just like we went after Woot last game which did not compute because let's be real, I don't withhold info like Woot and I am not as ******* insane as him haha.

[Gay Ork Wang]

you are worse than him

[Grizzlegom]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

i mean at best he wastes one of our abilities for a night. Its not exactly helping us.

This is something I was thinking too. I had the same thing happen in the HP game when I was mafia. There were a couple guys that we could have recruited to make us a lot more powerful but at the same time, when there are soooo many power roles within the town, you have to use all of your resources blocking/framing/killing all the power roles that unless you randomly hit correctly on recruiting the player night one, those recruit triggers probably aren't happening.

Something to think about for first time mods, you can't allow triggers to be the thing that will balance the mafia/town ratio. It's actually better to set-up the game so that you think the mafia might be slightly over-powered. If that is the case, then you typically get a really good, close game.

[vidae]

When creating a game, the Mafia should always SEEM more overpowered at the start. There are less of them (by a good margin usually).

[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

i mean at best he wastes one of our abilities for a night. Its not exactly helping us.

Shouldn't the mafia gladly exchange a wasted ability for adding a member, even if it's a wasted kill? Normally, you'd have the kill him in order to recruit him. JR had it setup where you could just Thief him, and you'd recruit him, and all the while you could kill someone. Sounds like a good thing to me, and had ya'll done that, it's a big boost.

Say I was the Traitor and SBH was the vanilla townie. I would have turned the Gonzo lynch, been investigated as good (or mistakenly evil) by Killswitch, and then become evil when you guys targeted to kill me. When JR created the game, he had no idea who would get which role and how events would unfold.

[jrdrylie]

Night actions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FbE1xWjJYT mc

[Dr. Gonzo]

So I ******* died because Forenci didn't sent in his night action day 4? God dammit. Well good work until then sir.

[fenikz]

would of been nice if Gonzo died night 1

[SuperMcGee]

You would target me, broth. How do my fists taste, *****!?

[Gay Ork Wang]

not when he claims townie.

[Brothgar]

I was feeling good about finding good guy role after good guy role. Just to find out that everyone had a good guy role.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by TitanHope

Shouldn't the mafia gladly exchange a wasted ability for adding a member, even if it's a wasted kill? Normally, you'd have the kill him in order to recruit him. JR had it setup where you could just Thief him, and you'd recruit him, and all the while you could kill someone. Sounds like a good thing to me, and had ya'll done that, it's a big boost.

Say I was the Traitor and SBH was the vanilla townie. I would have turned the Gonzo lynch, been investigated as good (or mistakenly evil) by Killswitch, and then become evil when you guys targeted to kill me. When JR created the game, he had no idea who would get which role and how events would unfold.

Say I was an Investigator and you were the Thief. And Fenikz was x, and Cigaro was y.

Playing that game doesn't actually do anything. :p