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Old 07-06-2012, 01:01 PM    (permalink
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I was feeling good about finding good guy role after good guy role. Just to find out that everyone had a good guy role.
Yeah, Stalker wasn't all that useful for us to be honest. We did find out that Shane targeted Caddy, but Shane was going to die anyway.

Not having a rolecop kind of sucked.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:03 PM    (permalink
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Why did my first investigation fail?
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:04 PM    (permalink
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forenci over protection
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:04 PM    (permalink
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Forenci apparently had a 50% chance to block any other action in addition to protecting the player from death.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:05 PM    (permalink
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Forenci apparently had a 50% chance to block any other action in addition to protecting the player from death.
That is poop :(
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:11 PM    (permalink
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So now that this game is done, how long until Draftopia Daily News starts?
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:11 PM    (permalink
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The town had an advantage, for sure. But there were quite a few negative roles for them. Two millers and two fathers aren't helping the town.

I thought the mother was the same thing, at first. Fenikz revealing that he had vig powers outside of the thread didn't help me any.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:12 PM    (permalink
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So now that this game is done, how long until Draftopia Daily News starts?
Monday. Broth's game will have to fill the void for now. If that ends quickly, BB and I were both discussing 10-15 person quick games this weekend if we're bored haha
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:13 PM    (permalink
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The town had an advantage, for sure. But there were quite a few negative roles for them. Two millers and two fathers aren't helping the town.

I thought the mother was the same thing, at first. Fenikz revealing that he had vig powers outside of the thread didn't help me any.
Ya kind of a dick move on Fenikz' part there. Damn you Fenikz!!!
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Say I was an Investigator and you were the Thief. And Fenikz was x, and Cigaro was y.

Playing that game doesn't actually do anything. :p
People are refusing to see the game layout and the possibilities it provided, and instead focus on what happened to lead them to their opinion. As long as they do that, they'll come to a skewed conclusion. Obviously, the town will seem more powerful since the town won. If it turned out the mafia won, we'd be having a different argument. In the past, I've seen you argue against the exact same points you're making in regard to this game. It's just that in the past one, you were part of the town who had won and I was the mafia who had lost and felt the town was OP.

It's all perspective, and until people decide to see what could have been rather than what was, opinions will come out skewed.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:25 PM    (permalink
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:26 PM    (permalink
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Well I think that may be part of what he referred to when he said he needs to keep his mouth shut.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:28 PM    (permalink
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People are refusing to see the game layout and the possibilities it provided, and instead focus on what happened to lead them to their opinion. As long as they do that, they'll come to a skewed conclusion. Obviously, the town will seem more powerful since the town won. If it turned out the mafia won, we'd be having a different argument. In the past, I've seen you argue against the exact same points you're making in regard to this game. It's just that in the past one, you were part of the town who had won and I was the mafia who had lost and felt the town was OP.

It's all perspective, and until people decide to see what could have been rather than what was, opinions will come out skewed.
Is that really what is happening when the guy who created the game and other members of the town are also saying the town was overpowered?
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:31 PM    (permalink
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Is that really what is happening when the guy who created the game and other members of the town are also saying the town was overpowered?
The town really wasn't that overpowered though. Like I said, just a tad
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:37 PM    (permalink
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All things considered, you really can't factor in triggers. Without SBH, the town was definitely OP. With SBH, the mafia may have had a better chance, sure, but I think the balance of power would still have been in the town's favor slightly. Either way, it was still an enjoyable game and I wish I would have chosen to pick someone else to kill that last night. I knew I had zero chance after wooty survived, hence the falling on my own sword thing. If I had gotten a kill that night, I was going to go after Rufus or Deep and say that I stole a gun from them. I still don't think I would have won but I was going to do my best to make it interesting haha
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:44 PM    (permalink
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I'm sorry mcgee for lynching you, I really wanted to go with grizz, but it didn't seem like anyone else wanted to go that direction.
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well then i was a townie since you can't factor in triggers
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Well, at least my team won.
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Honestly, you never got to use your ability so I really wasn't factoring it in.
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Well I think that may be part of what he referred to when he said he needs to keep his mouth shut.
That's exactly what I meant by that. I created a few new roles and when asked, I should have kept my mouth shut. Next time, I'll do that.
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Is that really what is happening when the guy who created the game and other members of the town are also saying the town was overpowered?
Yeah, pretty much cause I'm talking about the thought process.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or defend the town. Honestly. I just think it's funny how the Traitor counts as a Townie because the mafia never triggered him, and how the town was apparently given two investigators by the mod because the town, through their actions, were able to figure out Killswitch was an incompetant cop and otherwise avoid a big landmine for the town. No one wants to state that the mafia recruiting the Traitor would have been a big boost or that Killswitch's role caused him to push for Gonzo's lynching, and they don't say it because it would make their side seem better off. Some of it was just luck, and you can't go blaming the mod for bad luck.

Like I said, perhaps the town was more powerful. That's not what's interesting to me. What's interesting is how people are presenting things for their side, and I just think if people thought about how things could have gone differently, then it'll open their eyes. But no one will do that since it risks their side seeming less disadvantaged.

All of which is silly, since we all should be reaching the same conclusion, but people refuse to reach a more accurate one due to spiteful or petty desires to make their plight more sympathetic. This happens every game, and you see it in the post game comments. I'm certainly guilty of it too. Personally, I blame Gonzo.
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I don't like disagreeing with Vidae. :(

Vidaes are meant to love TH! LOVE TH!
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Scapegoat for everything bad that happens in mafia games. Always. Fact is I played a great game and proved that deduction is king. I am always baffled by how reliant people are on getting information from actions. I may not have always been right but for the most part I was :)

Also note how I never get butthurt and complain like all you fools.
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Old 07-06-2012, 02:47 PM    (permalink
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Yeah, pretty much cause I'm talking about the thought process.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or defend the town. Honestly. I just think it's funny how the Traitor counts as a Townie because the mafia never triggered him, and how the town was apparently given two investigators by the mod because the town, through their actions, were able to figure out Killswitch was an incompetant cop and otherwise avoid a big landmine for the town. No one wants to state that the mafia recruiting the Traitor would have been a big boost or that Killswitch's role caused him to push for Gonzo's lynching, and they don't say it because it would make their side seem better off. Some of it was just luck, and you can't go blaming the mod for bad luck.

Like I said, perhaps the town was more powerful. That's not what's interesting to me. What's interesting is how people are presenting things for their side, and I just think if people thought about how things could have gone differently, then it'll open their eyes. But no one will do that since it risks their side seeming less disadvantaged.

All of which is silly, since we all should be reaching the same conclusion, but people refuse to reach a more accurate one due to spiteful or petty desires to make their plight more sympathetic. This happens every game, and you see it in the post game comments. I'm certainly guilty of it too. Personally, I blame Gonzo.
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I don't like disagreeing with Vidae. :(

Vidaes are meant to love TH! LOVE TH!
That post resonated a bit more with me than the first one, so I do get what you're saying. I understand, I just don't COMPLETELY agree is all. I can absolutely see where you're coming from, and there is nothing but love on this side of the table.

But yeah, everyone blame Gonzo and call it a day!
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The person I was most impressed with was McGee. He didn't kill the first two night. Then the first two guys he chooses to kill are mafia members. I don't know if it was deduction or pure luck but it was still impressive.
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