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Old 07-18-2012, 11:25 AM    (permalink
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:25 AM    (permalink
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I'm sure that will work great so long as none of the mafia scum know it's the plan.
That's the thing though, by keeping total anonymity in the beginning, evil doesn't know if they are watched or not nor does it require anyone with a power to risk anything.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:27 AM    (permalink
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That's the thing though, by keeping total anonymity in the beginning, evil doesn't know if they are watched or not nor does it require anyone with a power to risk anything.
but if they are killed we get nothing from their deaths.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:31 AM    (permalink
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I think this is a terrible idea... and one you would not usually offer.
Usually no, and if we were to lynch Todd and he came back as evil, it would be the biggest back-fire I would have ever been part of.

In all honesty, I did some serious thinking about Renji's plan from last game and started thinking up a "trap" move. The only way it would work is to have total anonymity from the "cage", but the "bait" has to be out in the open. The "trigger" then has to risk going after the bait without knowing who the cage is or if it even active.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:31 AM    (permalink
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I like the idea of using anonymity and subtlety for most of the game, but the plan you laid out is oddly concocted and honestly didn't even really make sense to me.

People kill townies that aren't likely to be watched, true. But they don't so much kill people that are currently the most popular lynch target.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:32 AM    (permalink
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why would the mafia waste time on a player who isn't actually playing? the irrelevant check-in player would be my favorite player right now.
The mafia wouldn't, but a Serial Killer might.
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that plan basically wastes the use of the watcher, though. no non-killing role is going to visit an inactive so in the event the watcher looks at that person the mafia/serial killer has an open door to kill a more active player.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:33 AM    (permalink
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I admit I'm not that great at this game, but that definitely sounds like a waste of resources and I'm not quite what that woukd accomplish. Now If you are with Todd CJ, it sounds like a good plan to keep him alive.

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Now with McGee and CJ's defense if he is lynched and is mafia we would get a ton of information.
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I like the idea of using anonymity and subtlety for most of the game, but the plan you laid out is oddly concocted and honestly didn't even really make sense to me.

People kill townies that aren't likely to be watched, true. But they don't so much kill people that are currently the most popular lynch target.
When you fish, do you cast your line out then pull it in immediately? No, you leave it out there and be patient and watch.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:36 AM    (permalink
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:37 AM    (permalink
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that plan basically wastes the use of the watcher, though. no non-killing role is going to visit an inactive so in the event the watcher looks at that person the mafia/serial killer has an open door to kill a more active player.
I wouldn't say nobody else would visit them. Inactivity can make people curious and investigators/role cops could check up on them. I still wouldn't watch them. I do think it is too early to suspect prolonged inactivity, but I will go for anything over RR (unless it's me being killed)
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:39 AM    (permalink
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I wouldn't say nobody else would visit them. Inactivity can make people curious and investigators/role cops could check up on them. I still wouldn't watch them. I do think it is too early to suspect prolonged inactivity, but I will go for anything over RR (unless it's me being killed)
I think they would be more likely to target someone who has been around but laying low rather than someone who has been almost non-existant.
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sure, but he'd have to be illiterate to do so now. i don't see how that was a plan with any real chance of success, unless the plan was solely to waste a watcher to free up a 'better' kill.
No, it wouldn't work now. For this to work, the watcher would have to watch Todd without telling anyone. CJ could then try to bait the serial killer to take out an inactive Todd and then the watcher would see who killed Todd and we'd have an easly lynch the next day.
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Ok, voting Todd probably makes the most sense right now, inactivity is the worst and this can't go too RR, so a decision has to be made eventually. I'm not really sure what CJ is doing, but I don't think he would come out with that if he was evil.
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I don't like this idea. And I rarely fish. And I start sentences with "and" too often.
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No, it wouldn't work now. For this to work, the watcher would have to watch Todd without telling anyone. CJ could then try to bait the serial killer to take out an inactive Todd and then the watcher would see who killed Todd and we'd have an easly lynch the next day.
No one has told anyone anything yet other than laying out the plan. Evil now has to decide is it safe or not.
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No one has told anyone anything yet other than laying out the plan. Evil now has to decide is it safe or not.
Todd is no danger at all. No need for them to kill him at all
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Todd is no danger at all. No need for them to kill him at all
I think he was suggesting not that they needed to kill him, but that it would be an easy kill to get away with. he'd probably be a more likely target for the serial killer, since he has no agenda besides keeping himself alive
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yea but i mean, say you put him out there. Why would they kill Todd? There is absolutely no reason too. Thats why I said we need an investigative roles. We need to have bait. Todd is no bait.
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There is no way that they'll target Todd now though. Saying the plan outloud to everyone who can read this thread made it all a moot point: they won't kill Todd. It makes no sense now.
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There is no way that they'll target Todd now though. Saying the plan outloud to everyone who can read this thread made it all a moot point: they won't kill Todd. It makes no sense now.
UNLESS they now think we are so sure they won't kill Todd that they know nobody will watch him and thusly they will be able to kill him!
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Well if the SK and the mafia won't, we should.
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I think he was suggesting not that they needed to kill him, but that it would be an easy kill to get away with. he'd probably be a more likely target for the serial killer, since he has no agenda besides keeping himself alive
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yea but i mean, say you put him out there. Why would they kill Todd? There is absolutely no reason too. Thats why I said we need an investigative roles. We need to have bait. Todd is no bait.
You seem sure of Todd's status, which makes me a bit suspicous. Are you masoned? Are you protecting a fellow mafioso? (Would you even know he's mafia already?)

His inactivity could be "laying low" due to a power role, mafia ties, or simply joining and not playing. How are you so sure he's no threat and there's no reason to target him?
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