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Old 11-30-2014, 11:07 PM    (permalink
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While a few of the pros listed below has had some type of success with a position switch on the collegiate level. How much of an impact would the following players have made into transitioning professionally at their natural positions?

Ted Ginn - 5* CB
Tavon Austin - 5* RB
Logan Thomas - 5* TE
Keenan Allen - 5* S
De'Anthony Thomas - 5* CB
James Wilder Jr. - 5* LB
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
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Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
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Ginn had really stiff hips and was basically a one-trick pony in the sense he only had straight-line speed with little agility and acceleration. I don't think he would have been a good nfl corner because of those reasons. He probably would have been really bad, actually.

I don't think I can give a good assessment for the others.
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Ginn had really stiff hips and was basically a one-trick pony in the sense he only had straight-line speed with little agility and acceleration. I don't think he would have been a good nfl corner because of those reasons. He probably would have been really bad, actually.

I don't think I can give a good assessment for the others.
With this being said, Jim Tressel saved what was left of Ginn to highlight the obvious traits.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
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Logan Thomas and Wilder should have stayed at their HS positions.
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Better at new position: Ginn, Austin
Better projection at old position: Thomas, Thomas, Wilder Jr.

Allen probably succeeds at S or WR.

Austin isn't a RB, too small. He is what he is, a weapon.

Logan Thomas could have been a good tight end. Red-zone nightmare but not fluid enough to be an all-pro type IMO. But a good starter I believe.

DeAnthony Thomas would be an awesome inside CB.

Wilder Jr. should have been a LB and everybody knows it. But he was fun to watch at FSU.
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It's still not too late for Greg "Stone Hands" Little to switch to LB

or punter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV3KM552ERg
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It's still not too late for Greg "Stone Hands" Little to switch to LB

or punter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV3KM552ERg
Little was never a 5-Star recruit. I believe I covered every guy from 2002 to the current Draft Class.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
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Better at new position: Ginn, Austin
Better projection at old position: Thomas, Thomas, Wilder Jr.

Allen probably succeeds at S or WR.

Austin isn't a RB, too small. He is what he is, a weapon.

Logan Thomas could have been a good tight end. Red-zone nightmare but not fluid enough to be an all-pro type IMO. But a good starter I believe.

DeAnthony Thomas would be an awesome inside CB.

Wilder Jr. should have been a LB and everybody knows it. But he was fun to watch at FSU.
Ginn's success was purely based off of straight line speed. I agree with the OP who put emphasis on his lack of agility. I don't think Ginn knows anything about Latitude. He must have been one helluva DB to jump routes in HS because I don't see how he could hold his own in press coverage with the lack of wiggle from the hips.

I still think Austin would be a pretty decent RB in the mold of Warrick Dunn. He's a threat as you've stated, but I realized he can move chains from the backfield in the NFL wile they matched up with San Francisco a few weeks ago.

Wilder Jr. just wanted to defy the odds and live on through the legacy. He should have stayed put.

To be honest. I believe Allen could possibly be the best 2-way player amongst all the guys listed above, just off the strength of how he's taking the league by storm now at WR. I will have to go back to check his HS footage out playing the S position.

Logan Thomas was a Beamer experiment that happened to pan out because its very apparent he's against Tidewater QBs coming in.

De'Anthony Thomas wanted to make his mark on collegiate ball. I most certainly would have loved to see him at DB, but he's very dynamic and exciting on the offensive side. Playing DB would have kept him off the field at the professional level due to size, so he did what was best for him to stay on the field.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts

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USC planned to play the Mamba at CB and get him in on the return game. They felt that he was a potential top 10 pick at the corner position...

...he wanted to play RB. Now hes nothing more than a gadget player.
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USC planned to play the Mamba at CB and get him in on the return game. They felt that he was a potential top 10 pick at the corner position...

...he wanted to play RB. Now hes nothing more than a gadget player.
I believe he would have better NFL success at WR. He's too much of a burner in open space.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
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His size wouldnt have stopped him at CB with his tools. Brent Grimes is like 5'5.
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Ted Ginn - 5* CB
Tavon Austin - 5* RB
Logan Thomas - 5* TE
Keenan Allen - 5* S
De'Anthony Thomas - 5* CB
James Wilder Jr. - 5* LB
Who says those are their natural positions? The high school? I don't see any reason to look back at high school players and the position they played. It all depends on what is best for that team to win and what level they play at. It has nothing to do with what position they will play in the future. Also high school rankings are crap and should never really be considered, what the player does in college is what matters in the NFL.

Gin could never play corner, he is too weak and not tough enough, would have been great if he could but doubt he ever could. Tavon Austin is a fine receiver and why would he have been moved back to RB at any point in time?

Logan Thomas is in the NFL as a QB, sure TE might have worked but the kid can throw well enough and is worth a shot. Not that Thomas is that great athletically he is just big, Tebow should have been moved to TE or RB because that is what he was good at, not sure Thomas is some physical freak show in the open field.


Allen is just fine at receiver, but fun to have him at safety but never happened. That is the one player on the list that maybe he could have been a safety in the NFL if he was one in college at stayed at that spot.


As for D. Thomas, again far too weak to play corner, doubt he could tackle anyone well. Wilder, sure maybe he should have been a LB but he was a good power back in college and not sure he had the overall speed or quickness to be a linebacker. Still has a chance in the league as a power back.



Still though, I would not blame some of these five star recruits failure to what position they ended up at. It is just usually high school rankings are not correct at all.
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If Wilder was going to succeed at LB it would have been in the B1G, he was too slow to play there in the other conferences. If he was going to play defense he should have moved to DE and got up to 250+ lbs.
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Who says those are their natural positions? The high school? I don't see any reason to look back at high school players and the position they played. It all depends on what is best for that team to win and what level they play at. It has nothing to do with what position they will play in the future. Also high school rankings are crap and should never really be considered, what the player

Still though, I would not blame some of these five star recruits failure to what position they ended up at. It is just usually high school rankings are not correct at all.
The emphasis of the post isn't solely based on the rankings. It more so, has to do with position switching. Technically the "natural" position they all played on the HS ranks helped the billing.

As you can see, I wanted to know if an impact would have been made from the "natural" position of the players who has had the least amount of success at the professional level. For the matter, any type of impact for those who already thrived after the switch. Just throw the rankings to the side for the moment and focus on the bigger picture to the OP.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
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Yeah, FSU puts way more and better lb's into the pros than PSU. Can you be objective about anything? Too slow to play in the ACC. Puh-leez.
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Um, Logan Thomas was a relatively freakish TE prospect. He's around 6'6, 260# and runs in the 4.6s.

Even now he's got more ability IMO as a TE than a QB where he's nothing more than a backup signal caller in the NFL.
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ACC is a much better conference than the B1G.
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I wish AZ would just put Logan Thomas at tight end and give him a few years. He's not going to be an NFL QB. He's just not. The stature is nice, and the long throws can fool you into thinking he's that guy, but he's not. Teach him to block and I do think you've got a guy who can be counted on to catch at least 30 balls a year into the 2020s.
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The emphasis of the post isn't solely based on the rankings. It more so, has to do with position switching. Technically the "natural" position they all played on the HS ranks helped the billing.

As you can see, I wanted to know if an impact would have been made from the "natural" position of the players who has had the least amount of success at the professional level. For the matter, any type of impact for those who already thrived after the switch. Just throw the rankings to the side for the moment and focus on the bigger picture to the OP.
Sure but still is the issue of who says that is their "natural" position? Where are you getting this from, what position they played in high school? That means absolutely nothing, just because a certain play is a quarterback in high school or a running back does not mean that is there natural position... It means they are on a team that is either not very good or not every athletic and are put at a spot so the team has success or where the team has trouble.

There are a lot of very good defensive players, receivers etc that played QB in high school, that does not mean that is there natural position just because.


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FUNBUNCHER Um, Logan Thomas was a relatively freakish TE prospect. He's around 6'6, 260# and runs in the 4.6s.

Even now he's got more ability IMO as a TE than a QB where he's nothing more than a backup signal caller in the NFL.
Maybe but still what I saw from him at QB when he was running, he was not all that fluid, was not all that strong and did not break may tackles. Sure has the size but not sure he had the will to play that position or the natural strength but who knows. Seems to not be taken hit very well at all. And sure he is probably a career back QB but who says it would not be the same at TE.
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Thomas not strong and didn't break tackles?

False, and I hated him at VT. He isnt fluid but he is gigantoc with good top end speed and a monster vertical.
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Sometimes it's difficult to picture how a jumbo athlete looks at a different position. Jimmy Graham seemed like an unathletic albino stiff as a PF but he's an unbelievable TE
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ACC is a much better conference than the B1G.
Maybe hoops.
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Maybe hoops.
They put more butts on rosters in the NFL.
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They put more butts on rosters in the NFL.

Not according to this site. Very close, but the Big 10 has 4 more. Not really accurate way to rank teams either. Because, Miami has the most of both conferences. But, that's off previous teams and not an accurate indication of how mediocre they are now. I'm not arguing the Big 10 is good. It's not. But, neither is the ACC.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...-college/2014/

ACC - 411
Miami - 57
FSU - 52
Clemson - 35
Va Tech - 34
unc - 33
NC St - 28
uva - 28
bc - 26
Pitt - 24
Ga Tech - 24
Louisville - 23
cUSE - 20
Wake - 17
Duke - 10

Big 10 - 415
OSU - 53
Wisky - 42
Rutgers - 37
Iowa - 36
Michigan - 35
PSU - 35
Illini - 31
Nebraska - 31
Mich St - 29
Maryland - 25
Purdue - 23
Northwst - 15
Indiana - 14
Minnesota - 9
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Here's all you need to know about comparing the conferences, the LAST PLACE team in the ACC Coastal beat the best team in the B1G.
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