Week 3 Discussion Thread - Page 113

Borat · 09-23-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderz4life

I don't agree with this whatsoever. Its stupid BB. The refs are ******* the dog and we can complain all we want about it. Will it change anything? No....but that doesn't mean we can't call them out for their absolute fuckery. If you wanna sit back and not say a gtdamn thing, knock yourself out but don't try to tell people to follow suit. They have a right to ***** and moan about the ineptitude of these refs.

Raiderz4Life · 09-23-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Think about it. The regular refs want many millions of dollars more for doing a part-time job where they are held virtually unaccountable during the season AND now reportedly want their back pay from the games they miss once the lockout ends.

The NFL is going to say "**** that." The only way anything changes is if people stop watching. Once money is being pulled out of the NFL's pockets, they'll do something.

Since I'm not going to stop watching regardless of who is doing the officiating, I'm just going to take it and hope it ends. If not...well, I'm still going to watch.

I get that but I think it is completely fine to ***** and moan about something when its clearly wrong. Its not going to change anything but its a way to vent frustration.

scottyboy · 09-23-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

You don't think NBC would be upset if they didn't ask a question like that? Not that I disagree that it's classless as hell, I just think the blame is misdirected a little. The problem is that questions like this have become standard procedure and they're made all the time without people batting an eye. It's disgusting.

Turn on the news any given night and it's the same thing.

oh it's 100% on NBC.

njx9 · 09-23-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

You don't think NBC would be upset if they didn't ask a question like that? Not that I disagree that it's classless as hell, I just think the blame is misdirected a little.

eh, i think if nbc really wanted those questions answered, they'd hire someone competent. or they'd bring torrey into the studio tomorrow. i think they just want post game reactions, and it's on the sideline reporters to figure out how to get them.

that said, i know absolutely nothing about the inner workings here, so maybe it does all come down from the studio, and that chick was smart enough to know it was a dumb question, but not tactful enough to ask it properly.

BeerBaron · 09-23-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

i seriously want to know what the ref negotiations like. Like what are the demands and how are they so far apart?

I'm not commenting either way on the replacements, but like...what the hell is this strike and **** even about?

$40-$70 million dollars, refs want their back pay for games missed this season, and they want continued no-accountability as they shot down the NFL's idea of having a "bench" of refs to pull from whenever a ref is struggling during the season.

I can provide links if need be.

descendency · 09-23-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

If he missed Wilfork would get a 15 yard penalty and they would re kick from the 1.

It's a dead ball foul, which means the Patriots would have the ball on the 8.

WCH · 09-23-2012, 11:09 PM

Edit: I'm too slow to keep up with you guys.

scottyboy · 09-23-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

$40-$70 million dollars, refs want their back pay for games missed this season, and they want continued no-accountability as they shot down the NFL's idea of having a "bench" of refs to pull from whenever a ref is struggling during the season.

I can provide links if need be.

jeebus. How could that escalate so quickly? And be soooo far apart?

Jvig43 · 09-23-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

You would be wrong. Beyond a sarcastic comment here or there I've pretty much kept my mouth entirely shut about the officiating since the season began.

I'm just going to stop. My argument has already been turned into a straw man as if I'm defending the replacement officials. I'm just being a realist here. The NFL has no incentive to cave into the demands of the real refs as long as people are tuning in and handing over their money.

And never once have I said anything about the NFL having to cave to officials tonight. But I have every damn right to sit here and talk about it, or ***** about it. As does anyone else, and if it bugs you that much stop coming in here and reading what people are posting. You not mentioning the poor officiating isn't somehow making it go away. But good for you for being so high and mighty of not mentioning how terrible the officiating has been this weekend. Thats helped much more so.

BeerBaron · 09-23-2012, 11:11 PM

A big part of the problem is that the real refs THINK that the continued failures of the replacement refs are helping their cause, so they're digging in deeper.

But, as I've said, the NFL has no incentive to bring them back until money is lost. People are still watching, advertisers are still buying air time...to them, it's business as usual.

Brodeur · 09-23-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

$40-$70 million dollars, refs want their back pay for games missed this season, and they want continued no-accountability as they shot down the NFL's idea of having a "bench" of refs to pull from whenever a ref is struggling during the season.

I can provide links if need be.

I like the NFL's idea of bench refs, truthfully. But the money is a fraction of the profits the NFL sees every year, they need to stop being greedy pricks.

njx9 · 09-23-2012, 11:12 PM

re: the ref don't watch/watch thing. i don't think there's any issue with complaining, in the moment, about a single game. but endless, season long complaining is silly and non-productive. it'd be like one of your friends bitching all year because they think they should get a raise at work, but not ever bringing it up to their boss. every now and then? sure, i get it and it sucks. but when it's day after day, all season, you either need to put up or shut up.

* - i'm not suggesting anyone is or isn't doing the above.

fuct91 · 09-23-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Then shut the **** up about it. That goes for everyone. Want to ***** about the refs? Say they're screwing your team? Turn off the games. Don't watch. Otherwise, the NFL has no incentive to change anything.

Absolutely agree. I have watched my last NFL game. The owners, including Robert Kraft, have displayed a level of greed that I never imagined. I can't even put in to words the disgust I have for what just happened on national television.

I don't think I even give a **** if they come to an agreement tomorrow, due to the simple fact they allowed this to happen.

I stopped watching the MLB and the NBA due to the same reasons. This means I never have to watch ESPN ever again which is absolutely fantastic.

I understand if others won't be able to do the same thing, but honestly take a minute or two and think about what exactly happened.

BeerBaron · 09-23-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

And never once have I said anything about the NFL having to cave to officials tonight. But I have every damn right to sit here and talk about it, or ***** about it. As does anyone else, and if it bugs you that much stop coming in here and reading what people are posting.

It's not the talking about it, it's the irrational rage-mode way you're going about it. If the Patriots won tonight, you'd be off doing who knows what and I'd be arguing with a Ravens fan right now.

Read my last couple of posts about the money demands and why the NFL probably doesn't see this as a problem right now.

BloodBrother · 09-23-2012, 11:13 PM

This season is so damn weird right now

WCH · 09-23-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

I like the NFL's idea of bench refs, truthfully. But the money is a fraction of the profits the NFL sees every year, they need to stop being greedy pricks.

$50 Million isn't exactly a trivial amount of money.

proshoota25 · 09-23-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

No we deserved to lose to the cardinals, we played like **** all game and got out played. We played well for the most part tonight and so did the Ravens. They get the win overall, they made the plays at the end to win it, and yes that PI call was legit on McCourty. However the officiating for both teams were horrendous, we just happened to be on the side that lost.

we did deserve to lose but that hold on gronk that negated the go ahead TD was taken away..... and that was not holding on gronk

TACKLE · 09-23-2012, 11:14 PM

Flacco is god-tier at the two minute drill.

That game was stressful. So glad we pulled it out in the end.

Jvig43 · 09-23-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

It's not the talking about it, it's the irrational rage-mode way you're going about it. If the Patriots won tonight, you'd be off doing who knows what and I'd be arguing with a Ravens fan right now.

Read my last couple of posts about the money demands and why the NFL probably doesn't see this as a problem right now.

I have explicitly said that either way it was a terrible officiated game, and we just happened to be on the losing end of it. Again still have yet to say anything about the NFL caving or negotiating. Still have yet to be illogical, or irrational. Is bitching helping the situation, clearly not but I came to a message board to do it, because it sucked and thats what its here for. Is not talking about it helping it? No so I don't see how youre any more rational.

scottyboy · 09-23-2012, 11:15 PM

will you guys all yell at me and judge me when I say that it's really annoying being defending champs and being in NYC because we get all these primtime games? Like, I just want a nice 1pm Sunday afternoon game

Brodeur · 09-23-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WCH

$50 Million isn't exactly a trivial amount of money.

It's about 0.20 percent of the revenue the NFL sees every year, if that.

BeerBaron · 09-23-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

I like the NFL's idea of bench refs, truthfully. But the money is a fraction of the profits the NFL sees every year, they need to stop being greedy pricks.

The problem with the super rich is that they didn't get to be super rich by handing out money to everyone that demanded some...

The NFL gets a billion with a "b" dollars from ESPN alone to broadcast 16 MNF games a year. But, you have a bunch of greedy old owners who aren't exactly inclined to be handing that money back out...

Babylon · 09-23-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

i seriously want to know what the ref negotiations like. Like what are the demands and how are they so far apart?

I'm not commenting either way on the replacements, but like...what the hell is this strike and **** even about?

Technically they're locked out, not on strike.

scottyboy · 09-23-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

Technically they're locked out, not on strike.

that was a very unnecessary pointing out of technicalities

Philliez01 · 09-23-2012, 11:18 PM

Don't worry guys, the UFL is back.