Week 4 Discussion Thread - Page 3

BeerBaron · 09-25-2012, 01:46 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-matt-schaub/

The NFL has suspended Joe Mays for his hit on Matt Schaub. This is the first suspension I can think of since the league began its "no headshot" emphasis. (Unless James Harrison got one at some point that I'm just not remembering...)

Giantsfan1080 · 09-25-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus2602

It isn't so much the refs (though a few miscalls haven't helped). Its the players themselves. Players are walking closer to the edge of the rule book because of the replacement refs, trying to see what they can get away with. There were a couple of hits (two or three flagrant hits on the quarterback, including one after he had slid forward) in the Colts/Jags match that if the regular refs (or a competent ref anyway) had been there would have been flagged but the replacement refs didn't flag them. So with players thinking they can get away with more they are going to try to get away with more, thus putting player safety in risk.

Ok that might be true but then the players themselves can't complain when it's their fault.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-25-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

They still have those types of owners as it was Kraft and Mara who got everyone together last year during the strike. For all we know those 2 are the ones leading the charge against the refs.

Yeah but that's not enough. You need all the owners on board. An older Commish who had trust and the owners ears can say something to facilitate change. This Commish is younger, and hasn't been in position long enough to do that.

WFAN is making good points . It comes down to the owners just wanting to win, Whether it's against the players association or now the refs. Mike F. said it was a matter of 3.3 million dollars. The NFL is a billion dollar enterprise so 3.3 million is a chump change for that. But the owners have a vision and are sticking to it no matter what.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-25-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Yeah but that's not enough. You need all the owners on board. An older Commish who had trust and the owners ears can say something to facilitate change. This Commish is younger, and hasn't been in position long enough to do that.

WFAN is making good points . It comes down to the owners just wanting to win, Whether it's against the players association or now the refs. Mike F. said it was a matter of 3.3 million dollars. The NFL is a billion dollar enterprise so 3.3 million is a chump change for that. But the owners have a vision and are sticking to it no matter what.

The owners run the show not the commish. This directive isn't coming from Goodell it comes from the owners. He isn't making these decisions alone. Don't forget who works for who.

Yes of course that's the issue. The NFL won't let anyone dictate terms to them. They'll stick with this until the other side caves, just like the players did.

Seamus2602 · 09-25-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Yeah but that's not enough. You need all the owners on board. An older Commish who had trust and the owners ears can say something to facilitate change. This Commish is younger, and hasn't been in position long enough to do that.

WFAN is making good points . It comes down to the owners just wanting to win, Whether it's against the players association or now the refs. Mike F. said it was a matter of 3.3 million dollars. The NFL is a billion dollar enterprise so 3.3 million is a chump change for that. But the owners have a vision and are sticking to it no matter what.

You normally don't get to where most owners are today by signing bad deals, even if the deals are small.

robert pancake gallery · 09-25-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

The owners run the show not the commish. This directive isn't coming from Goodell it comes from the owners. He isn't making these decisions alone. Don't forget who works for who.

sounds like the league needs a new commissioner

Seamus2602 · 09-25-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Ok that might be true but then the players themselves can't complain when it's their fault.

True but then again the players and the NFLPA have attacked virtually every player safety initiative in the last few years so I don't think this is the only piece of hypocrisy on this issue.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-25-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus2602

True but then again the players and the NFLPA have attacked virtually every player safety initiative in the last few years so I don't think this is the only piece of hypocrisy on this issue.

Well that just goes back to my point they have no leg to stand on regarding this issue.

Seamus2602 · 09-25-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Well that just goes back to my point they have no leg to stand on regarding this issue.

Yeah but its a NFL/NFLPA dispute. When has avoiding hypocrisy ever got in the way of that?

Babylon · 09-25-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

sounds like the league needs a new commissioner

He works for the owners and they love him.

I also honestly think Vegas should not have a line on these games till the regular refs come back. Too much money and too many chances for fraudulent games.

robert pancake gallery · 09-25-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

He works for the owners and they love him.

i don't care about the owners.

Seamus2602 · 09-25-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

He works for the owners and they love him.

I also honestly think Vegas should not have a line on these games till the regular refs come back. Too much money and too many chances for fraudulent games.

Is there a greater risk with a replacement ref than with a regular one?

PACKmanN · 09-25-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

i don't care about the owners.

You should. Without them, your favorite team isn't who they are now.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-25-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus2602

You normally don't get to where most owners are today by signing bad deals, even if the deals are small.

Well the majority needs to be on board for a change. If they are not, and take the stance that they don't want to "lose" to the refs, then I can see this stalemate going on.

descendency · 09-25-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Two good primetime games on Sunday and Monday.

I'm expecting Michael Vick to get sacked with one second left so the Giants win, but then one official deicdes to put another 10 seconds on the clock for no reason and the Eagles win on a last second field goal.

Then on Monday Jay Cutler will throw an interception which is returned for a TD by Morris Claiborne and the officials will rule it as a TD for Chicago, because ya know...that's what they do now

hahaha.

I honestly don't see any games this week that are both have interesting teams and will be competitive. The competitive games* are with teams I probably won't watch.

*Baring the referee-apocalypse.

descendency · 09-25-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-matt-schaub/

The NFL has suspended Joe Mays for his hit on Matt Schaub. This is the first suspension I can think of since the league began its "no headshot" emphasis. (Unless James Harrison got one at some point that I'm just not remembering...)

He did. Didn't Brandon Meriweather get one too?

descendency · 09-25-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch

So they're making this even more ****ed up. They're saying they reviewed and DID have the power to determine possession, but still messed it up. Simultaneous possession my ass.

I think Tate's possession of Jenning's ass might have had something to do with the touchdown.

scottyboy · 09-25-2012, 07:26 PM

i am nervous for the giants game this week

gpngc · 09-25-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hines

Thursday
Cleveland @ Baltimore

Sunday
Carolina @ Atlanta
New England @ Buffalo
Minnesota @ Detroit
San Diego @ Kansas City
Seattle @ St Louis
San Francisco @ NY Jets
Tennessee @ Houston
Miami @ Arizona
Cincinnati @ Jacksonville
Oakland @ Denver
New Orleans @ Green Bay
Washington @ Tampa Bay
NY Giants @ Philadelphia

Monday
Chicago @ Dallas

Bye: Pittsburgh, Indianapolis

Discuss. A couple solid prime time games this week.

I bolded upset alert games.

I really hope the Seahawks win. They've won like 13 of 14 against the Rams recently but I have a bad feeling. The offense just hasn't been good. But the defense should destroy the Rams O.

Grizzlegom · 09-25-2012, 07:56 PM

http://replacementgoogle.com/

This is hilarious.

WCH · 09-25-2012, 08:02 PM

The three remaining people in my survivor pool decided to split the title and we're starting a gritty reboot. I have no idea which team to pick this week.