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Old 04-28-2012, 06:30 PM    (permalink
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Still a few guys out there that I hope the Bucs are all over:

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Dwight Jones-6'2 230 lb guy from UNC that runs in the 4.5 range. Big WR, perhaps Butch wants to bring him to Tampa
Chris Owusu-decent sized, excellent returner with fantastic timed speed (4.34). Has history of concussions and injury. Most likely to land in in San Francisco.
Patrick Edwards-smallish WR return man with good game speed but timed poorly. Injuries and durability were his major concern.

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James Fuller-college WR that SHOULD convert to TE at 6'4 220.
Derek Carrier-at 6'3 238 the dude ran 4.38. Produced... in Div III as a WR.

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Matt Reynolds-rugged big man that would switch from the LT spot to RT in the NFL
Joe Long-Jake Long's bro that played at Wayne St.

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Austin Davis-I watched him numerous times at Southern Miss...he had a Favre-esque playmaking ability about him.
Kellen Moore-Jason Garrett2.0
Darron Thomas-Mobile junior that should have stayed at Oregon

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Chris Polk-Washington's stud has degenerative shoulder issues.
Davin Meggett-bowling ball with quickness

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Chase Minnifield-tough and competitive, perhaps injuries have scared teams off as well
Coryell Judie-had good workout numbers

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Donte Paige-Moss-considered possible 1st round selection at beginning of this past year at UNC. Loads of talent, questionable character and drive. A Butch Davis guy.

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Matt Daniels-flies to the ball and made plays for Duke
Neiko Thorpe-same thing for Auburn.

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Jerry Franklin-good athlete and good in coverage
Sammy Brown-edge rusher type LB with good measurables.
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to the surprise of literally nobody, you guys signed Rutgers OL Desmond Wynn
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Yeah, I'm also expecting Justin Francis, Martinek, and some UNC guys.
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well giants just got martinek, but i could totally see Francis
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We signed Leonard Johnson CB Iowa State and FS Tromaine Johnson out of Arkansas. Like those pick ups.
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CB Leonard Johnson
OG Desmond Wynn
S Tremaine Thomas
QB Zach Collaros
WR Luther Ambrose
WR Eric Page,
OL Chaz Hine
OL Mike VanderMuelen
QB Dan Persa (tryout)
S Shawn Baker

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Apparently, Eric Page changed his mind and decided to go with the Broncos.
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Every season, for the past season or three... I can't remember, I list the most attractive UDFAs, do write ups on all of them and then list the UDFAs we did sign and give the best info I have on them... here's this season's version.

We lost WR Eric Page of Toledo to Denver, he changed his mind... which is too bad, he was the UDFA I was most interested in. The guy caught over 300 passes in his only 3 years in college and returned 5 kicks and punts for TDs... very productive... and small... and not particularly fast...but productive.

Dan Persa, QB, Northwestern (WORKOUT)-perhaps the most accomplished of the 3 QBs were are bringing into rookie mini-camp. Persa is a gamer. He is a short (5'11 210 lbs), run around QB (he plays faster than his 4.87 time) without much arm strength but an impressive resume as far as production (all-time leader of NCAA for completion % at over 73%) and for winning some games at a tough school to win at. Two time team captain... like most other Dominik pickups. Chance of making the practice squad or roster.... 5% He doesn't have enough arm or height to make it in the NFL.

Zach Collaros, QB, Cincinnati-Apparently there's no shortage of short QBs (5'11, 217 lbs). Collaros is faster than Persa (4.65) but doesn't seem to quite as nimble. He is doming off a broken ankle and a decent career as the heir to Tony Pike. Another spread-pass QB that would have to adjust to the pro systems. Chance of making the practice squad or roster....5% same issue as Persa.

Jordan Jefferson, QB, LSU-A prototype QB physically (6;4 223 lbs) and plenty mobile (4.64-LSU's all-time leading QB rusher) with an excellent arm. Has had numerous character issues in the past, even missing the first half of the season for LSU while being suspended from the team. Very erratic accuracy and looks to be a huge project. Interestingly, was also a team captain. Chance of making the roster....5%... chance of making practice squad 25%

Adonis Thomas, RB, Toledo (TRYOUT)-Eric Page left us at the altar but we get a good consolation prize. Adonis Thomas was 17th in the nation in yards per game (107) despite missing a few games with an arm injury. He is very small (5'9 185) but quick (4.45). Was second team All-MAC for the second season in a row, rushing for 1000+ yards each year and totalling 20 TDs on the ground. Is also a threat out of the backfield but has never returned kicks. Now about that name... what if the kid was born ugly? I think there's a good chance he gets offered a contract after his tryout. Chance of making the final roster...10%... chance of making practice squad 25%

Tyler Shoemaker, WR, Boise State-an impressive height weight speed WR at 6'2 216 4.47, he had an impressive senior season catching 64 passes for 994 yards and 16 TDs. If he can prove himself on special teams he might have a shot as a gunner. Chance of making roster.... 10%.... chance of making practice squad 25%

Mike VanDerMeulen, OT, Toledo-2nd Toledo Rocket signed... if we can't have Page, we can sign all of his former teammates... Bruce Gradkowski need not apply. Very good frame 6'6 307 lbs with impressive lower body athleticism (5.07 40 and a very impressive 32.5" vertical jump-WR Page only jumped 30")
Blocked for a 1000 yard rusher and receiver this past season.

Desmond Wynn, OG, Rutgers-Surprisingly the only one of Schiano's old players to follow him to Tampa. Was expected to be drafted mid to late. Has good enough size, 6'6 303, with long arms and functional strength. Impressive lower body explosion (32.5" VJ 5.05 40). Has an extensive injury history that has caused him to miss all or parts of seasons. His chance of making the team my lie solely in his ability to stay healthy. Has the ability to play in the NFL if he can avoid further injuries. Chance of making the team... 33%, chance of making practice squad... 33% (he has a 66% chance of sticking around).

Chaz Hine, OG, South Florida-big story about him in St. Pete Times... which I've already forgotten...I think he sings opera... and was a walk-on... or perhaps he sang to walk-ons and went to an opera... either way, he's squat (6'3 300 lbs) and extremely slow (5.63 40) and not fully dedicated to the weightroom (only 20 reps of 225). He's a good story, but the collegiate OGs are a longshot to make it in the NFL when they are above average. Hine is just a dude, a dude with an interesting story. Chance of making roster or practice squad 10%.

Morkeith Brown, DE, Temple-26 year old 3rd team All-MAC was previously enlisted in the Army... I'm noticing a trend on MAC players signed. Good frame at 6'5 258 lbs but not nearly explosive enough (4.88 40 1.71 10 yard split) to be much more than a camp body. Chance of making roser or practice squad... 5%

Brandon Herron, LB, Michigan-very athletic (4.59 40, 37.5" VJ, 26 reps of 225) but small (6'1 223). Most importantly, he rarely played at Michigan, making a grand total of 42 tackles. Did turn in a very impressive play in the first game of this past season when he returned a INT 94 yards for a TD while the score was still close against WMU. Still, has very little experience, has an injury history but he has a chance if he shows he is indispensable on special teams. Chance of making roster ...5% or practice squad...15%

Frank Newsome, LB, Central Arkansas-smallish (5'11 232) without much burst or speed (27" VJ) but productive in college, amassing nearly 200 tackles the past two seasons combined. In my mind, basically a DIv-i-AA version of last season's Darrell Smith. Not likely to make the roster based on measurables, size, and lack of dominance in a lesser division. Chance of making roster or practice squad....5%

Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State-was considered a sure bet to get drafted... until he ran a very pedestrian 4.71 40 time at the combine. Everson Walls being the lone exception of the past 30 years, I've never seen a CB that slow do much of anything in the NFL. He did "improve" his time to 4.56 at his pro day, but speed is definitely not an asset, size isn't either 5'10 196 with extremely short 28.5" arms. Was still a suprise he didn't get drafted, he can cover, looked good enough at the Senior Bowl, he did fairly well against Justin Blackmon and can return kicks. Chance of making active roster 15%... chance of making practice squad 35%

Quenton Washington-USF product took over starting role during his sjunior season. Decent size at 5'11 192, very modest career production (2 INTs)... but what dooms him is his total lack of speed (4.70 at his Pro Day). Probably brought on because of his proximity, but he doesn't have what it takes to stay in the NFL.

Sean Baker, SAF, Ball State-another MAC signing (1st team all-MAC) and perhaps the most productive of all the UDFA defenders. Ball State all-time INT leader with 18. Decent size, 5'11 210 lbs, with decent speed 4.65. He has been productive in coverage and a willing tackler (95 last season). Probably isn't going to beat out Barron so would have to win a backup SS role and excel on special teams. Chance of making active roster...5%... chance of making practice squad...20%

Tramaine Thomas, S, Arkansas-SEC Honorable Mention at FS (2nd team in 2010), is active (91 tackles in 2011) with a nose for the ball (12 career INTs). Has average measurables (6'0 200, 4.51 40. Like other backups at S, will have to make significant contribution on special teams. Chance of making active roster...5%... practice squad... 20%.
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Nice work. I like a lot of the guys brought in. Not sure many stick on the active roster, but it can't hurt to have a ton of competition for the last 5-10 roster spots.
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Saw that the Bucs also have Luther Ambrose, Ryan Baker, Bradley Sowell, Tyler Urban, Cody Johnson, and Dont'ee Nicholls. I'll have to do write ups for them when I get a little more time.
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Cody Johnson FB from Texas -99% chance of making the team.
Sowell, Wynn and L. Johnson good chance I think of sticking.
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Sowell, Wynn and L. Johnson good chance I think of sticking.
Yeah I think Leonard Johnson and Cody Johnson stick.

I think Tandy, our 6th round pick, converts to FS. Leonard Johnson plays fast and physcial. He'll be fine.
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Yeah Johnson has a good chance at sticking. Lorig isn't that good...
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Wynn's chance at making the roster rests likely solely on his health. If he stays heathly he makes the team.

Cody Johnson is pretty much in the same boat. I don't, however, think that spells an end for Lorig is Tampa. No, he's not a great FB, he's only played it for a season and a half, but he is okay...and being okay and having the talent he does suggests he can improve. What I do think will happen is that Lorig starts playing more as an in-line TE in addition to FB. The Bucs TEs are not particularly impressive and there is no real blocking TE guy on the roster. Lorig might be that guy. Considering WInslow's health, Stocker couldn't stay healthy either, Dunsmore has been banged up in his career, I think Lorig has a good shot at sticking. I put both Johnson and Lorig at around 90% to stick around.
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Honestly Brasho, I think Leonard Johnson has a great chance to make this roster. I think we're going to have competition at CB and guys like Biggers and Lewis aren't exactly difficult competition to beat out. Biggers isn't very physcial nor can he tackle, heck even cover. Lewis seems to be always hurt and gets burned alot.

Plus, I think Keith Tandy is going to move to FS and eventually start there. I really like his instincts and knack for the football. Great tackler, but he isn't a very good man=cover CB and seems to be a good fit at FS.

Eric Lorig isn't a true FB. He's learning the position. Cody Johnson is a beast and a true FB. I think he can beat out Lorig, so he has a very high chance of making the roster as well. However, Lorig can play multiple positions. He was drafted as a DE in 2010. He's still learning the FB position, but I don't necessarily know if he can play TE. He didn't set the world on fire as a pass catcher last year.

Dunsmore is going to be used as an H-Back/Pass-Catching TE.

I think the 3 guys that Stick:
- CB Leonard Johnson
- FB Cody Johnson
- An offensive lineman.
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Honestly Brasho, I think Leonard Johnson has a great chance to make this roster. I think we're going to have competition at CB and guys like Biggers and Lewis aren't exactly difficult competition to beat out. Biggers isn't very physcial nor can he tackle, heck even cover. Lewis seems to be always hurt and gets burned alot.

Plus, I think Keith Tandy is going to move to FS and eventually start there. I really like his instincts and knack for the football. Great tackler, but he isn't a very good man=cover CB and seems to be a good fit at FS.

Eric Lorig isn't a true FB. He's learning the position. Cody Johnson is a beast and a true FB. I think he can beat out Lorig, so he has a very high chance of making the roster as well. However, Lorig can play multiple positions. He was drafted as a DE in 2010. He's still learning the FB position, but I don't necessarily know if he can play TE. He didn't set the world on fire as a pass catcher last year.

Dunsmore is going to be used as an H-Back/Pass-Catching TE.

I think the 3 guys that Stick:
- CB Leonard Johnson
- FB Cody Johnson
- An offensive lineman.
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Lorig was recruited to Stanford as a TE and spent his first two seasons there. I'm pretty sure he could figure things out. We don't have a solid blocking TE at this point. Of course undrafted OT Rocky Weaver played his first two seasons at EMU as a TE. He was the team's 8th leading receiver during his freshman year (7 spots away from a guy you may have heard of, Antonio Brown). He's still a longshot to make the team.

I'm taking Schiano and Dominik at their word. Tandy will be looked at as a CB. He's a little short for FS and though he is a good zone CB, he would still be learning a new position. I think Myron Lewis may have a better shot at being moved to FS than Tandy.

As for Leonard Johnson, I liked him in college, but like all NFL teams, I was seriously scared away from him after he ran 4.71 at the combine and he's cartoonishly short 28.5" arms. I put his shot at making either the regular season roster or practice squad at 50%. Given his speed limitations, it may be he that is more likely to end up at FS than Tandy. He also doesn't have much length for the position but he is thickly built and a willing tackler.
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Tryout players I expect to be signed...I'll take a shot at 7.

C Moe Petrus-was considered one of the top 10 OCs by most draft prognosticators. The backup OC position is not necessarily one of great need with Ted Larsen being the likely backup... but upgrades are always welcome and Larsen was terrible in all roles last season.

DT Myles Wade-an absolute physical freak. At 6'2 310 lbs, he ran 5.05 (good) and benched 42 reps of 225 (awesome) as well as jumping 35.5" (incredible for his size). Playing for Portland St., he only managed 30 tackles and 2 sacks last season... but the tryouts weren't in full pads, and his strength and explosion was probably more evident and would have likely made him stand out.

QB Jordan Jefferson- Great arm, excellent mobility, winner in college. Schiano pretty much has been singing his praises all weekend. This is the prototypical-type 3rd string QB. A young QB with the tools worth developing.

RB Adonis Thomas-Quick and small, slippery in space, and an able pass catcher. With only a few RBs on the roster, he is likely to get the nod to get a chance in camp.

LB Brandon Herron-can really run and play special teams. Has traits that are worth taking another look at.

S Brian Peters-combines great size at 6'3 215 with decent speed (4.60) but most importantly was all Big-10 first team two years in a row.

S Sean Baker-very productive at Ball St... decent athleticism.
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Lorig was recruited to Stanford as a TE and spent his first two seasons there. I'm pretty sure he could figure things out. We don't have a solid blocking TE at this point. Of course undrafted OT Rocky Weaver played his first two seasons at EMU as a TE. He was the team's 8th leading receiver during his freshman year (7 spots away from a guy you may have heard of, Antonio Brown). He's still a longshot to make the team.

I'm taking Schiano and Dominik at their word. Tandy will be looked at as a CB. He's a little short for FS and though he is a good zone CB, he would still be learning a new position. I think Myron Lewis may have a better shot at being moved to FS than Tandy.

As for Leonard Johnson, I liked him in college, but like all NFL teams, I was seriously scared away from him after he ran 4.71 at the combine and he's cartoonishly short 28.5" arms. I put his shot at making either the regular season roster or practice squad at 50%. Given his speed limitations, it may be he that is more likely to end up at FS than Tandy. He also doesn't have much length for the position but he is thickly built and a willing tackler.
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The Buccaneers believe that sixth-round CB Keith Tandy's best position in the future might be safety.

Tandy will open rookie minicamps as a cornerback, but he could eventually push FS Cody Grimm and/or earn the Bucs' third safety role as soon as training camp. Tampa Bay is starved for depth at both defensive back positions, so Tandy's versatility will come in handy. At 5'10/200, Tandy ran 4.51 at his Pro Day.
Like I said, I think this guy would make a great FS for us. At 5'10 200 lbs, that really isn't short for a FS. That's pretty good size.
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Tryout players I expect to be signed...I'll take a shot at 7.

C Moe Petrus-was considered one of the top 10 OCs by most draft prognosticators. The backup OC position is not necessarily one of great need with Ted Larsen being the likely backup... but upgrades are always welcome and Larsen was terrible in all roles last season.

DT Myles Wade-an absolute physical freak. At 6'2 310 lbs, he ran 5.05 (good) and benched 42 reps of 225 (awesome) as well as jumping 35.5" (incredible for his size). Playing for Portland St., he only managed 30 tackles and 2 sacks last season... but the tryouts weren't in full pads, and his strength and explosion was probably more evident and would have likely made him stand out.

QB Jordan Jefferson- Great arm, excellent mobility, winner in college. Schiano pretty much has been singing his praises all weekend. This is the prototypical-type 3rd string QB. A young QB with the tools worth developing.

RB Adonis Thomas-Quick and small, slippery in space, and an able pass catcher. With only a few RBs on the roster, he is likely to get the nod to get a chance in camp.

LB Brandon Herron-can really run and play special teams. Has traits that are worth taking another look at.

S Brian Peters-combines great size at 6'3 215 with decent speed (4.60) but most importantly was all Big-10 first team two years in a row.

S Sean Baker-very productive at Ball St... decent athleticism.
Four out of 7 isn't too bad. I'm a bit surprised that Thomas didn't make it.
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Like I said, I think this guy would make a great FS for us. At 5'10 200 lbs, that really isn't short for a FS. That's pretty good size.
That seems to be the growing sentiment. I don't think he will ever be a "great FS" for us or anybody else. He is on the short size as you don't see too many good FS's under 5'11. I think the real diamond in the rough might be Goode. He reminds me a bit of Stephen Tulloch.
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You do not want Bradley Sowell I'll leave it at that
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you guys signed Tiquan Underwood.

yeah...it's gonna be REALLY hard for me not to become a Bucs fan
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