Mock Draft 2.0 - 10/27/12 - Page 4

SuperMcGee · 10-29-2012, 06:03 PM

Say what you will about Terrance Pennington, but the Bills still haven't spent a first rounder on a tackle in all this time. I'm going to guess (I actually know for a fact) that we argued against a tackle because we still had a stud LT in those days and didn't see the need to spend a top-half of the first round pick on a right tackle. Sounds about like the situation we could be looking at, right now.

RT is the most unsure of our positions on the line, but the need does not come close to matching, oh, any other position outside of running back. I support the idea of having two very good tackles. Joeckel is darn good and I'm not guaranteeing anything about Cordy Glenn, who has played 3.5 NFL games. But I just don't see this pick. I can see this regime or, should it come to it, a different one bringing in a tackle with a decently valuable pick, depending on how Pears finishes the year, but not nearly this high.

ncst8fan83 · 10-29-2012, 06:19 PM

Scott,

Not sure where to put this but I figured you'd be checking this thread out more than others. How credible are Bucky Brooks and his scouting sources?

Legacy · 10-30-2012, 12:56 AM

Am I the only one who thinks medical concerns will cause Jarvis Jones to fall in the draft?

He has spinal stenosis and it's probably going to limit his career, given the fact that Southern Cal's doctors were concerned enough about it that they wouldn't clear him to play for the Trojans again.

The last player I know of who had the same condition was Marcus McNeill, who fell in the draft because of those concerns and lasted only 6 years in the league. That's a hell of a risk for a top 5 pick.

Halsey · 10-30-2012, 02:34 AM

Every team picking in the top 31 should just pass on Jarvis Jones. No reason those teams should even bother scouting him.

bruschis4all · 10-30-2012, 10:38 AM

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Williams isn't an awful pick, but I'd prefer to address the interior pass rush with one of those 2nd-3rd type guys that are always available. Love and Wilfork are above average guys at DT, but they desperately need somebody who can get a rush inside. There are always undersized guys like Crick and Atkins available later, so I would hold off and pull the trigger later. Realistically this DT would only need to play 30 snaps a game. That DE end spot opposite Jones is still a problem, and I'm fairly confident Bequette and Cunningham aren't long term solutions there.

You did a pretty good job of mapping out the Patriots needs, but if I could add one more I'd say an athletic linebacker to play in nickel packages would be one. The Spikes, Hightower, and Mayo trio has had its issues in coverage this year.

I can see Hightower eventually assuming Ninko's role in this defense. He's bigger and faster than Ninko He's actually very good rushing the passer. And, can drop into coverage. I doubt a pass-rushing dt drops to where the pats pick. But, I'd like to pick someone up in the first 3 rounds. Would also like to see a 4-3 OLB who can play in space and a safety.

njx9 · 10-30-2012, 11:00 AM

derek wolfe is simply not an nfl DT unless it's 3rd and long. taking a DE for denver means spending the first round pick on a 4th string player. i'd say it's probably our strongest position on defense, your yearly critique of robert ayers notwithstanding.

Scott Wright · 10-30-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

Scott,

Not sure where to put this but I figured you'd be checking this thread out more than others. How credible are Bucky Brooks and his scouting sources?

Honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other because I haven't really followed his stuff.

Flaming Mo · 10-30-2012, 03:33 PM

Absolutely love the pick for the Jets... Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace look like they are running in quicksand, they are so done as OLB and provide no edge rush at all. Maybin never sees the field as he is only used on third and long plus he is no more than a situational rusher.

The Jets are undergoing a transition on defense to players who can play on every down and even though Rex likes to mix and match with different packages, in today's NFL it is hard to really be effective with many specialists. The DL is young and talented with Coples, Wilkerson and Ellis and at ILB the combo of Demario Davis and David Harris looks good aswell. Secondary is as nasty as they come but the Jets have NO edge rush ever since John Abraham left. Time to change that.

Gonna be interesting though if they go defense again in the first round as the offense has so many problems. I hope so though as they already got a bunch of young receivers and need more of a polished guy to help out Sanchez.

Scott Wright · 10-30-2012, 04:58 PM

We are going to be breaking down the new mock on the podcast tonight.

Be sure to let use know if you have a question or comment in the stickied thread.

Caulibflower · 10-30-2012, 06:33 PM

Hey Scott - Why not just give the Packers Montee Ball?

Scott Wright · 10-30-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Hey Scott - Why not just give the Packers Montee Ball?

I considered it!

PossibleCabbage · 10-30-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Hey Scott - Why not just give the Packers Montee Ball?

The Packers have taken 3 players from Wisconsin in the 20 drafts since the modern 7 round format has been adopted (Don Davey at #67 in 1991, Mark Tauscher at # 224 in 2000, and Bill Ferrario at #105 in 2001). I can almost guarantee that Green Bay will not draft Montee Ball (in any round) come April.

Some teams like to draft players from local colleges, Green Bay is kind of the opposite.

soybean · 10-30-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage

The Packers have taken 3 players from Wisconsin in the 20 drafts since the modern 7 round format has been adopted (Don Davey at #67 in 1991, Mark Tauscher at # 224 in 2000, and Bill Ferrario at #105 in 2001). I can almost guarantee that Green Bay will not draft Montee Ball (in any round) come April.

Some teams like to draft players from local colleges, Green Bay is kind of the opposite.

the flaw in your logic is you're assuming there is any correlation (be it negative or positive) at all between Green Bay and University of Wisconsin.

ie. they're not going to go out of their way NOT to draft some one from Wisconsin.

PossibleCabbage · 10-30-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

the flaw in your logic is you're assuming there is any correlation (be it negative or positive) at all between Green Bay and University of Wisconsin.

ie. they're not going to go out of their way NOT to draft some one from Wisconsin.

Well, correlation is not causation. It's just that I've read mock after mock that implies that Green Bay wants to draft Wisconsin kids, when it actually seems like the opposite of that is true.

Montee Ball is absolutely not worth a first round pick, anyway. I'm not sure he's worth a day 2 pick even.

papageorgio · 10-30-2012, 09:46 PM

the bills are gonna take a QB in the first one hundred percent. Fitzpatrick is the worst QB in the NFL. He cant throw a route farther than 20 yards and he is really the reason why the bills are not better right now.

ncst8fan83 · 10-30-2012, 10:10 PM

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Honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other because I haven't really followed his stuff.

Thanks for the reply. I was just wondering because he's saying some scouts have Mike Glennon as #1 QB on their board. I'm not really sure how I feel about that. He's got the physical tools, but I'm not sure about what he has between the ears. Just found it interesting and wondered if you knew how his reputation is.

The Linebacker · 11-04-2012, 08:22 AM

If Gabbert continues to progress like he has (it's like 1.25 steps forward, 1 step back) then I just can't see the Jaguars taking Geno Smith unless they replace the GM, as a new GM might want to go with his QB. Swap Geno Smith for Gene Smith?

holt_bruce81 · 11-04-2012, 03:32 PM

I like the rams two picks, even though I think I would take a guard over a safety right now if I were the rams.

And the more I watch Sheldon Richardson the more I think he'll be a top 15 pick at the end of the day. He's gonna blow up the combine. I'm calling a 4.65-4.75 forty.

keylime_5 · 11-04-2012, 04:08 PM

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I like the rams two picks, even though I think I would take a guard over a safety right now if I were the rams.

And the more I watch Sheldon Richardson the more I think he'll be a top 15 pick at the end of the day. He's gonna blow up the combine. I'm calling a 4.65-4.75 forty.

I don't know about that, maybe 4.8 or 4.9 - which ain't bad for a guy that big. I don't think he even ran a 4.65 in high school when he was a tight end.

TACKLE · 11-04-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by holt_bruce81

And the more I watch Sheldon Richardson the more I think he'll be a top 15 pick at the end of the day. He's gonna blow up the combine. I'm calling a 4.65-4.75 forty.

I felt the same way coming into the season. He's only improved and got a lot more consistent which was is main issue prior to this year. He had a tough go vs. Bama but I won't hold that against him too much. I'm also buying sub 4.75 as a possibility. He's every bit as fast and probably faster than Fletcher Cox who ran sub 4.8.

Scott Wright · 11-05-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

Thanks for the reply. I was just wondering because he's saying some scouts have Mike Glennon as #1 QB on their board. I'm not really sure how I feel about that. He's got the physical tools, but I'm not sure about what he has between the ears. Just found it interesting and wondered if you knew how his reputation is.

I know there are a lot of scouts infatuated with Mike Glennon but there is a wide range of opinions on that guy. Personally, I would say that Glennon has first round physical tools but is way to inconsistent to select in round one. Day Two type for my money.

heavyduty · 11-05-2012, 07:03 PM

Terrible bills pick. Manti teo has to be the pick. If we do address OT it can't be till the 3rd round earliest, we have too many needs. We missed out on Patrick Willis and Von miller by 1 pick and if we get a shot at Teo we need to take it. QB is obviously our biggest need but it seems there is no worthy remaining to be picked that high at this point.

heavyduty · 11-05-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMcGee

Say what you will about Terrance Pennington, but the Bills still haven't spent a first rounder on a tackle in all this time.

didn't we draft mike Williams out of Texas top 5 overall? He was obviously a huge bust but pretty sure he was an o-tackle

SuperMcGee · 11-05-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by heavyduty

didn't we draft mike Williams out of Texas top 5 overall? He was obviously a huge bust but pretty sure he was an o-tackle

I meant in all the time since Pennington was last thought about by someone on this earth. Williams was eleven years ago. Last year was close with Glenn going in the top half of the second round, but I think we can agree that need was a lot more pressing than it will be in April.

heavyduty · 11-05-2012, 09:08 PM

Ya we definitely have bigger needs. QB, WR, LB, S (George Wilson should be upgraded), and even another CB in the first if the talent is there. Im not sold on Aaron Wiliams and although I would prefer a corner thru FA who has been in the league a few years, drafting another one early would not upset me if it was not a reach.