NFL Week 9 Discussion Thread. - Page 57

BeerBaron · 11-05-2012, 09:52 AM

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If that is true thats seriously awesome. Where did you see this?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...om-after-game/

bigbluedefense · 11-05-2012, 09:54 AM

We got our ass kicked. Here comes the November swoon we're so used to...

BeerBaron · 11-05-2012, 09:56 AM

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We got our ass kicked. Here comes the November swoon we're so used to...

Seems like the rest of the division is in enough chaos that it won't matter.

Per Shanahan, the Redskins are packing it in.

The Cowboys locked their owner/GM out of the locker room and continue to find ways to "just lose games."

And the Eagles are the Eagles. I will be shocked if they make a serious run.

So it looks like another year of being a 9-7 #4 seed for the Giants. At least then, you'll start playing real football.

bigbluedefense · 11-05-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Seems like the rest of the division is in enough chaos that it won't matter.

Per Shanahan, the Redskins are packing it in.

The Cowboys locked their owner/GM out of the locker room and continue to find ways to "just lose games."

And the Eagles are the Eagles. I will be shocked if they make a serious run.

So it looks like another year of being a 9-7 #4 seed for the Giants. At least then, you'll start playing real football.

We just have to survive this. I think we will, but Philly scares me. Never count out Philly. Trust me.

BeerBaron · 11-05-2012, 10:04 AM

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We just have to survive this. I think we will, but Philly scares me. Never count out Philly. Trust me.

And what is Eli's deal right now? Speculation is rampant but I want to know what you think.

He's just "off." Like, Philip Rivers from last year kind of "off." He's getting his top receivers back healthy and the o-line isn't that terrible. I just don't get it.

descendency · 11-05-2012, 10:05 AM

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And what is Eli's deal right now?

It's not the playoffs and he's not playing the Patriots, yet.

Rosebud · 11-05-2012, 10:21 AM

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And what is Eli's deal right now? Speculation is rampant but I want to know what you think.

He's just "off." Like, Philip Rivers from last year kind of "off." He's getting his top receivers back healthy and the o-line isn't that terrible. I just don't get it.

Well Cruz is the only reliable weapon right now and the OL's numbers only look so good because of how well Eli avoids pressure, doesn't mean the pressure's still not getting through. Either way I think the big things it that with the division falling apart around us there's no pressure on the team to play great, these guys respond to pressure and when they start to get too much smoke blown up their asses they just don't. I'm still not sure about what happens against Cincy, but I fully expect this team to stomp all over the Packers after our bye.

BeerBaron · 11-05-2012, 10:24 AM

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Well Cruz is the only reliable weapon right now and the OL's numbers only look so good because of how well Eli avoids pressure, doesn't mean the pressure's still not getting through. Either way I think the big things it that with the division falling apart around us there's no pressure on the team to play great, these guys respond to pressure and when they start to get too much smoke blown up their asses they just don't. I'm still not sure about what happens against Cincy, but I fully expect this team to stomp all over the Packers after our bye.

Maybe because I'm a Bears fan, I equate "doesn't get hit on every single play" with "passable o-line play," but I still don't think Eli is being pressured enough to cause this level of drop in his play.

Smooth Criminal · 11-05-2012, 10:25 AM

I think the Giants will be fine. They're still the best team in that division and among the best in the conference.

Jvig43 · 11-05-2012, 10:47 AM

I'm not worried about the Giants either. Despite how terrible the offense has been lately, that defense can be scary good. If Nicks finally gets healthy to help Cruz out and Eli stops making stupid decisions with the ball that team will be fine come January.

Babylon · 11-05-2012, 11:05 AM

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Congrats to all my AFC South friends for having to deal with another top 5 QB twice a year for the next decade+.

Top 5 is probably putting it mildly. Houston can probably deal with Luck just fine but Tennessee and Jacksonville are light years away.

Pat Sims 90 · 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM

The Giants will turn it around next week when they play the Bengals.

bigbluedefense · 11-05-2012, 11:14 AM

I don't know what the deal is. I think guys just aren't playing well. Cruz is being blanketed by bracket coverages, Nicks is clearly not 100% and basically a decoy, and we haven't found a replacement for Mario yet. So teams can just key in on Cruz and essentially shut down our offense.

Guys need to step up. I think it should get better as Nicks plays more, he should recover in time for the playoffs (hopefully), and I hope that 3rd WR threat emerges by then.

The OL...it's gonna suck regardless. But hopefully we bench Diehl again bc the unit was clearly better when he wasn't playing. Brown needs more touches at RB.

There are solutions, but it's gonna take time.

Eli has been inaccurate too, don't know what that's about. Hopefully not a nagging injury he's hiding. Could just be bad mechanics.

Rosebud · 11-05-2012, 11:19 AM

I really think the team has just took their foot off of the pedal with the division lead they've opened up. As we get healthier, the division makes up some ground and the playoffs draw closer they'll kick it up again. I think we'll just scrape past the Bengals and then stomp the Packers after our bye and all will be well again.

LonghornsLegend · 11-05-2012, 11:24 AM

Giants never play better as a front runner anyway. Come December, 4th quarter, or playoff time that's the last team I'd worry about quite honestly. It's not a fashion show and I don't expect them to just be dominant en route to 14 wins or something, but every team has problems.

Atlanta hasn't lost but I don't think anyone is looking at them as an unbeatable team and they have shown weaknesses. Though with the way Chicago is playing defense and the roll Cutler & Marshall are on, they are my early favorites in the NFC.

killxswitch · 11-05-2012, 11:26 AM

The Pats have scored the most points, total, in the NFL so far. And that's including teams that haven't had a bye week yet. How are they 5-3?

Meanwhile the Colts (also 5-3) have a sizable negative points differential. Hmm.

BeerBaron · 11-05-2012, 11:32 AM

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Atlanta hasn't lost but I don't think anyone is looking at them as an unbeatable team and they have shown weaknesses. Though with the way Chicago is playing defense and the roll Cutler & Marshall are on, they are my early favorites in the NFC.

I can see how, from the outside looking in, the Bears might look like a top NFC team. But I don't think they are.

Turnovers are great, and we're great at forcing them, but they should never be relied upon. It's one thing to dominate low-middle class teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Jags and Titans by forcing a million turnovers. But once you get to January, the teams you face are generally better at protecting the football. We've seen plenty of instances where the team who leads the league in forcing turnovers gets to the playoffs and suddenly they can't anymore.

Also, the offense is totally Jekyl and Hyde. One drive, Cutler will be like 5/6 and Marshall will catch 4 passes and Forte will have two 10+ yard runs to set up a score.

Then the very next drive, Forte gets stuffed for no gain, Cutler gets sacked, and then they fail to convert on 3rd and long. It's a total boom or bust offense.

I would not be surprised in the least if we lose these next two games against more solid squads in the Texans and 49ers. They won't be handing us as many turnovers and their defenses will make our offense work a lot harder than the teams have during this 6 game win streak.

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Originally Posted by killxswitch

The Pats have scored the most points, total, in the NFL so far. And that's including teams that haven't had a bye week yet. How are they 5-3?

Meanwhile the Colts (also 5-3) have a sizable negative points differential. Hmm.

When the Pats win, they seem to blow the other team out by a lot. When they lose, they lose by tiny margins. That is how that comes to be.

And the Colts are the opposite. Get blown out, or win by just a little.

nrk · 11-05-2012, 11:41 AM

The next 2 games are going to be huge for the Bears. Their schedule has been pretty much a joke so far, with no wins against winning teams other than the Colts (lol, I never would have expected to say that about the Colts this season).

Jvig43 · 11-05-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch

The Pats have scored the most points, total, in the NFL so far. And that's including teams that haven't had a bye week yet. How are they 5-3?

Meanwhile the Colts (also 5-3) have a sizable negative points differential. Hmm.

As BB said, weve lost all three games by a total of four points. We have trouble closing despite the fact that we can put up points. Once the 4th quarter comes around our offense stops picking up first downs and the defense goes into give it up like a drunk girl on promnight coverage. No blowout over the Rams should let anyone forget about how poor and unclutch this team has been in the 4th this year. second half adjustments used to be something BB and staff were praised for and I don't think were making the right ones this year (and sometimes including the previous few years).

brat316 · 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM

something i wanted to ask our UK friends.

How did you like last weeks game, the big blowout? It looked like people didn't care once the score was so big. Seems like its more exciting for them when the score is close.

LonghornsLegend · 11-05-2012, 12:06 PM

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I can see how, from the outside looking in, the Bears might look like a top NFC team. But I don't think they are.

Turnovers are great, and we're great at forcing them, but they should never be relied upon. It's one thing to dominate low-middle class teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Jags and Titans by forcing a million turnovers. But once you get to January, the teams you face are generally better at protecting the football. We've seen plenty of instances where the team who leads the league in forcing turnovers gets to the playoffs and suddenly they can't anymore.

Also, the offense is totally Jekyl and Hyde. One drive, Cutler will be like 5/6 and Marshall will catch 4 passes and Forte will have two 10+ yard runs to set up a score.

Then the very next drive, Forte gets stuffed for no gain, Cutler gets sacked, and then they fail to convert on 3rd and long. It's a total boom or bust offense.

I would not be surprised in the least if we lose these next two games against more solid squads in the Texans and 49ers. They won't be handing us as many turnovers and their defenses will make our offense work a lot harder than the teams have during this 6 game win streak.

I don't think the Niners can hang if you receive the ball and get up early. I guess it's easier said then done, because their D is legit too, but they have to play completely different when behind and if you can get up 10 points or so, they play right into the strength of your defense.

I also don't think the turnover machine that is Peanut Tillman is fluky. He's so good at going after the ball, some of the plays he's made this year on the ball have been amazing. Usually when I say a CB has good ball skills I'm talking about tracking it in the air but he has a nose for the ball like no other. But none the less, you guys are doing exactly what you should be doing. Not losing to the likes of those teams, sure they may not be playoff teams, but when you get those guys on your schedule it's supposed to look like how it has vs most of them, dominance.

I will be keeping an eye on the SF game as it is likely a playoff matchup, but if you guys get good Cutler to show up I'd still take the Bears there.

Bulldogs · 11-05-2012, 12:38 PM

The Niners don't scare me as much as teams like the Packers, Giants, and Bears do. The NFC is damn stacked this year man.

gpngc · 11-05-2012, 12:39 PM

The Giants are just a prime example of this being a week-to-week league.

They were crowned at 6-2, and in a few weeks will be 6-6 or 7-5 and right in the thick of things. That's just the way this league works.

There's nothing wrong - they just aren't playing well.

It has been interesting league-wide to see the run defenses struggling when earlier in the season across the league run defenses were much more stout generally. Defenses are tiring maybe.

descendency · 11-05-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch

The Pats have scored the most points, total, in the NFL so far. And that's including teams that haven't had a bye week yet. How are they 5-3?

Meanwhile the Colts (also 5-3) have a sizable negative points differential. Hmm.

Blow everyone out except the 3 teams you lose to by 4 total ******* points. *shakes fist*

gpngc · 11-05-2012, 12:50 PM

In the NFC, I'd keep an eye out for Detroit and Philly.

In fact, Philly is set up for a postseason run even if they don't win tonight. Their upcoming schedule is very favorable and they aren't far behind NYG, already beat them once, and play them in W17. I'd guess Philly will make the playoffs this year if not as a division winner, then as a 6-seed.

If I was making odds for the NFC playoffs and assumed the top-5 were in, for the 6 seed I'd ranking them:

Philly
Seattle
Detroit
Tampa
Dallas
New Orleans
Arizona
Minnesota
St. Louis
Carolina

9-7 will get you in and Carolina's not a HORRIBLE longshot if they can pull some upsets and only lose 1 down the stretch.

EDIT: I just looked at Detroit's schedule and they play the four best teams in the league. However, ATL and CHI in 16 and 17 might not be playing for anything. Worth noting.