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Old 11-02-2012, 07:46 PM    (permalink
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Ok, so this is my top 32 and I have designated each prospect with a team. I have tried to balance the fit between player and team need/scheme etc


1. Star Lotulelei, DT Utah – Minnesota Vikings

2. Barkevious Mingo, DE LSU – Indianapolis Colts

3. Bjoern Werner, DE FSU – Tennessee Titans

4. Luke Joeckel, OT Texas A&M – St Louis Rams

5. Jonathan Hankins, DT Ohio State – Carolina Panthers

6. Sam Montgomery, DE LSU – New Orleans Saints

7. Chance Warmack, OG Alabama – Dallas Cowboys

8. Manti Te’o, LB Notre Dame – Pittsburgh Steelers

9. Geno Smith, QB WVU – Kansas City Chiefs

10. Jarvis Jones, LB Georgia – New York Jets

11. Jonathan Banks, CB Mississippi State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers

12. Jake Matthews, OT Texas A&M – Arizona Cardinals

13. Sheldon Richardson, DT Missouri – New York Giants

14. Keenan Allen, WR Cal – Miami Dolphins

15. Dion Jordan, LB Oregon – Philadelphia Eagles

16. Tyler Eifert, TE Notre Dame – Atlanta Falcons

17. Damontre Moore, LB Texas A&M - Jacksonville Jaguars

18. Matt Barkley, QB USC – Buffalo Bills

19. Dee Milliner, CB Alabama – Detroit Lions

20. Taylor Lewan, OT Michigan – Chicago Bears

21. Tyler Wilson, QB Arkansas – Oakland Raiders

22. Justin Hunter, WR Tennessee – Cleveland Browns

23. John Jenkins, DT Georgia – San Francisco 49ers

24. Jonathan Cooper, OG UNC – Green Bay Packers

25. Barrett Jones, OL Alabama – Seattle Seahawks

26. CJ Mosley, LB Alabama – Baltimore Ravens

27. Eric Reid, S LSU – Cincinnati Bengals

28. Jordan Poyer, CB Oregon State – Washington Redskins

29. Ezekial Ansah, DE BYU – New England Patriots

30. Xavier Rhodes, CB FSU – Houston Texans

31. Kawann Short, DT Purdue – Denver Broncos

32. Eric Fisher, OT CMU – San Diego Chargers
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I'm confused as to why you have Johnathan Cooper as the best fit for the Packers, when this is a team with two pretty good guards under contract until 2017, while they're desperately in need of a center and maybe a left tackle.

Would think Barrett Jones fits in Green Bay much better than Cooper. Can Cooper play C, and I've just never seen it?
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Won't hear a Chiefs fan complaining about that.
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Barkley's best fit is Jacksonville, where he can play in domes and fair weather towns to mask his arm strength deficiency and piss poor deep ball accuracy.
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Interesting way of incorporating your mock draft. I've become a huge Mosley fan as of late and really don't think he's far off of Te'o. Might be the best all-around backer Saban has had since he's been at Bama.
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I'd love Mingo but the way things are going I don't think we'll get the chance. I realize this isn't a mock so maybe my comment isn't valid. We really do need another guy to start opposite Mathis after this year. It wouldn't even have to be a pure pass rusher. One of the well-rounded guys like Dion Jordan would probably be just fine.
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Barkley's best fit is Jacksonville, where he can play in domes and fair weather towns to mask his arm strength deficiency and piss poor deep ball accuracy.
I'm not a big Barkley fan and I think you make a good point about him being better off in a warm weather/dome division like that because of his meh arm but I have no clue what you're talking about when you say he has piss poor deep ball accuracy.
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I'm not a big Barkley fan and I think you make a good point about him being better off in a warm weather/dome division like that because of his meh arm but I have no clue what you're talking about when you say he has piss poor deep ball accuracy.
His completion percentage when throwing beyond 5 yards is like 20%, but he has two very good WRs to throw the ball to. He misses a lot of his deep passes.

Half of his throws are <5 yards and half of that are behind the LOS. Barkley's strength is his intermediate and short accuracy. I think he can be successful dinking and dunking until his deep accuracy improves.
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His completion percentage when throwing beyond 5 yards is like 20%, but he has two very good WRs to throw the ball to. He misses a lot of his deep passes.

Half of his throws are <5 yards and half of that are behind the LOS. Barkley's strength is his intermediate and short accuracy. I think he can be successful dinking and dunking until his deep accuracy improves.
That stat isn't about deep ball accuracy. That stat is a product of the system/his mediocre arm and velocity on intermediate (12-20 yard) throws. He struggles to drive balls into tight windows down the field because of his physical limitations so they rarely ask him to do so because when he does he struggles. Although he struggles to drive the ball, when he decides to let it fly on an actual 'deep ball' whether that's on a fade/sluggo/deep post, his touch and accuracy are great. He thrives in the quick passing game and thrives at throwing deep balls but everything in between is suspect.
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I like his velocity (like, don't love) actually. I see tons of his deep balls sail or o to the wrong shoulder, but that's not quantifiable. Geno Smith absolutely debacles him in throwing the deep ball.
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I like his velocity (like, don't love) actually. I see tons of his deep balls sail or o to the wrong shoulder, but that's not quantifiable. Geno Smith absolutely debacles him in throwing the deep ball.
Both are significantly better than Luck in that area for whatever it's worth.
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Not hard for Geno to complete deep balls when theres no one within 40 yds of his receivers.
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Ok, so this is my top 32 and I have designated each prospect with a team. I have tried to balance the fit between player and team need/scheme etc


1. Star Lotulelei, DT Utah – Minnesota Vikings

2. Barkevious Mingo, DE LSU – Indianapolis Colts

3. Bjoern Werner, DE FSU – Tennessee Titans

4. Luke Joeckel, OT Texas A&M – St Louis Rams

5. Jonathan Hankins, DT Ohio State – Carolina Panthers

6. Sam Montgomery, DE LSU – New Orleans Saints

7. Chance Warmack, OG Alabama – Dallas Cowboys

8. Manti Te’o, LB Notre Dame – Pittsburgh Steelers

9. Geno Smith, QB WVU – Kansas City Chiefs

10. Jarvis Jones, LB Georgia – New York Jets

11. Jonathan Banks, CB Mississippi State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers

12. Jake Matthews, OT Texas A&M – Arizona Cardinals

13. Sheldon Richardson, DT Missouri – New York Giants

14. Keenan Allen, WR Cal – Miami Dolphins

15. Dion Jordan, LB Oregon – Philadelphia Eagles

16. Tyler Eifert, TE Notre Dame – Atlanta Falcons

17. Damontre Moore, LB Texas A&M - Jacksonville Jaguars

18. Matt Barkley, QB USC – Buffalo Bills

19. Dee Milliner, CB Alabama – Detroit Lions

20. Taylor Lewan, OT Michigan – Chicago Bears

21. Tyler Wilson, QB Arkansas – Oakland Raiders

22. Justin Hunter, WR Tennessee – Cleveland Browns

23. John Jenkins, DT Georgia – San Francisco 49ers

24. Jonathan Cooper, OG UNC – Green Bay Packers

25. Barrett Jones, OL Alabama – Seattle Seahawks

26. CJ Mosley, LB Alabama – Baltimore Ravens

27. Eric Reid, S LSU – Cincinnati Bengals

28. Jordan Poyer, CB Oregon State – Washington Redskins

29. Ezekial Ansah, DE BYU – New England Patriots

30. Xavier Rhodes, CB FSU – Houston Texans

31. Kawann Short, DT Purdue – Denver Broncos

32. Eric Fisher, OT CMU – San Diego Chargers
Very, very decent Big Board but I just cannot put Bjoern Werner in my top 20, Ditto for Sheldon Richardson, Tyler Eifert and Taylor Lewan. I see no way Robert Woods gets out of the top 20 along with Barrett Jones and Jake Mathews. Justin Hunter would be my 4th choice to make the top 20 at this point.
Watch out for Mathews in particular, who will go behind Jeockel but still go top 10.
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Unless Barrett Jones is going to play tackle then i don't see it. Give me the Fisher guy out of CMU.
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Unless Barrett Jones is going to play tackle then i don't see it. Give me the Fisher guy out of CMU.
It's a weird pick for Seattle, since they already have the guy who Barrett Jones most reminds me of (Max Unger).
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