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Old 01-28-2011, 08:15 PM    (permalink
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...how much more proof do you need that he isn't a top tier QB prospect? I mean, seriously. Now that the senior bowl practice is over, are you going to tell us to wait until the combine?
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...how much more proof do you need that he isn't a top tier QB prospect? I mean, seriously. Now that the senior bowl practice is over, are you going to tell us to wait until the combine?
him flaming out of nfl, then i'll believe it.
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I ask the same thing.
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Scott mentioned on a podcast that there will still be a team that has him top 15, another as a 3rd and the rest in the middle.
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No more proof. I have maintained if he didn't have a good Senior Bowl he's not a first round pick and I'm sticking with it.
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He has been very unimpressive so far. By unimpressive, I mean he doesn't stick out like a top QB prospect should stick out. I'd still like to see how he does in the game, and I'd probably even give him the benefit of doubt at the combine and Pro Day, but I still doubt my opinion of Jake Locker will change.

I don't see how people ever saw 1st round potential in him... even in his Junior year, I was very unimpressed.
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I thought I heard that he got a second round grade from the draft advisory board last year...did I make that up?
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I thought I heard that he got a second round grade from the draft advisory board last year...did I make that up?
Those guys are pretty spot on. Vernon Gholston was given a 3rd round grade, even though he was drafted in the top 5. He was really a 3rd talent.
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What exactly does it mean to be a "Jake Locker fan". I personally think he has a chance to be a very good NFL QB if he's handled with care and hooks up with a good QB guru, but fully admit that he'll likely be overdrafted because there are so many holes where quarterbacks should be in NFL rosters. If he can end up somewhere where he gets to sit for a couple of years, he could easily be the best QB of this class.
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Those guys are pretty spot on. Vernon Gholston was given a 3rd round grade, even though he was drafted in the top 5. He was really a 3rd talent.
Yet people talk crap about them all the time.
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...how much more proof do you need that he isn't a top tier QB prospect? I mean, seriously. Now that the senior bowl practice is over, are you going to tell us to wait until the combine?
you should ask the people that keep saying alex smith will be good
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He's all athlete. His accuracy is round 7 quality. The only reason there is hype is the strength of his arm and his running ability, 2 of the least important skills of a quarterback. He will bust, I can guarantee that.
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No more proof. I have maintained if he didn't have a good Senior Bowl he's not a first round pick and I'm sticking with it.
When he gets picked in the first i'll let you back in the boat, even though i shouldnt.
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He had an up and down week, not a bad one. I don't think he's a top ten value or even top fifteen value, but it's not like we went out there and **** the bed. He had two very good days, one mediocre one, and one bad one.
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He's all athlete. His accuracy is round 7 quality. The only reason there is hype is the strength of his arm and his running ability, 2 of the least important skills of a quarterback. He will bust, I can guarantee that.
You can't say arm strength is one of the least important skills to a quarterback. That simply isn't true. People have begun to underrate arm strength because of guys like Jamarcus and Kyle Boller. The thing is, the difference between having an A+ and a B to B+ NFL arm isn't all that significant in having NFL success. The difference between having a B+ arm compared to a C to C+ arm is very significant. There are no successful/above average QB's who don't have the ability to consistently make all the throws.
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He had an up and down week, not a bad one. I don't think he's a top ten value or even top fifteen value, but it's not like we went out there and **** the bed. He had two very good days, one mediocre one, and one bad one.
It was pretty quiet in here tuesday and wednesday.
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It was pretty quiet in here tuesday and wednesday.
That's the nature of draft message boards. When the guys you've predetermined won't be successful on whatever random basis you so chose are doing well, you keep your mouth shut. Then you pounce on absolutely anything so you can go "HAHAHAHA I WAS RIGHT" rather than be objective. That's boring.
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He looks like he was David Carr'd (after being #1 and playing behind an abysmal OL) at Washington. He has little to no confidence in his pocket and his accuracy suffers from it.
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That's the nature of draft message boards. When the guys you've predetermined won't be successful on whatever random basis you so chose are doing well, you keep your mouth shut. Then you pounce on absolutely anything so you can go "HAHAHAHA I WAS RIGHT" rather than be objective. That's boring.
Um...day 2 and day 3 were quiet not because he did well...it was because he did the same thing as every other day in the week. He was inconsistent both days, he'll throw a pretty pass and follow it up with a horrible one and a checkdown or two. His mechanics are sound, it's his accuracy and inconsistency that are in question. When your mechanics can't be improved much and you're still inaccurate and inconsistent it just leaves questions to coaches if your ceiling is actually that high.
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Um...day 2 and day 3 were quiet not because he did well...it was because he did the same thing as every other day in the week. He was inconsistent both days, he'll throw a pretty pass and follow it up with a horrible one and a checkdown or two. His mechanics are sound, it's his accuracy and inconsistency that are in question. When your mechanics can't be improved much and you're still inaccurate and inconsistent it just leaves questions to coaches if your ceiling is actually that high.
That's contrary to what both the reports here and what reports elsewhere said. Day 2 and 3 were pretty good by most accounts. Day 1 was meh. Day 4 was bad and there's no getting around that.
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Tim Tebow had a bad Senior Bowl, so it's not like Locker has necessarily killed his chances of being a first round pick.
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Someone will pick him in the first.
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Tim Tebow had a bad Senior Bowl, so it's not like Locker has necessarily killed his chances of being a first round pick.
23 teams passed on Tebow (including the team that eventually picked him) and the guy that did end up picking him got fired midseason last year for, in large part being an execrable general manager.

I don't think we can take anything from the saga of Josh McDaniels other than "don't draft like Josh McDaniels."
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Those guys are pretty spot on. Vernon Gholston was given a 3rd round grade, even though he was drafted in the top 5. He was really a 3rd talent.
meh, a guy who has 9 sacks as a sophomore and 15 sacks as a junior and is as athletic and strong as Gholston was had no chance of going lower than the first round no matter what team we're talking about.

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I don't see how people ever saw 1st round potential in him... even in his Junior year, I was very unimpressed.

well the difference between his ability as a passer during his first year plus at Washington and what he showed his junior year under Sarkisian was night and day. It's the fact that he regressed after his junior year that was so devastating.
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That's contrary to what both the reports here and what reports elsewhere said. Day 2 and 3 were pretty good by most accounts. Day 1 was meh. Day 4 was bad and there's no getting around that.
What are you talking about? Even Scott's reports say his inconsistencies and accuracy issues were still there on those days, the only difference was that they weren't his worse days. From what I see all the scouts saying, at best, those days were mediocre.
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