Poll: Rookie of the Year (week 16) - Page 18

JRTPlaya21 · 12-31-2012, 01:43 PM

Albert Morris? Lol come on now man.

SolidGold · 12-31-2012, 01:48 PM

Redskins fans do you not remember Cousins played extremely well for Cousins - please don't gloss over that fact before anointing Griffin the second coming of Christ.

Like the Heisman Luck is getting lost in the Griffin HYPE.

gpngc · 12-31-2012, 01:50 PM

Stephen Hill won this award in Week 1. It's over.

Rob S · 12-31-2012, 02:01 PM

1. RGIII
2. Russel Wilson
3. Andrew Luck

I do think Luck will have the best career though.

2 Live Crew · 12-31-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

Redskins fans do you not remember Cousins played extremely well for Cousins - please don't gloss over that fact before anointing Griffin the second coming of Christ.

Like the Heisman Luck is getting lost in the Griffin HYPE.

How about Cousins is actually good and it was the Browns?

Griffin HYPE? LOL. I will pray for you

FUNBUNCHER · 12-31-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

Redskins fans do you not remember Cousins played extremely well for Cousins - please don't gloss over that fact before anointing Griffin the second coming of Christ.

Like the Heisman Luck is getting lost in the Griffin HYPE.

Sorry but the Browns aren't very good. And nothing about RG3 this season is 'hyped' above and beyond his performance on the field.

Re-watch the Giants games, or any of the teams that totally collapsed the Redskins oline early in the season with edge pressure. Cousins would have been eaten alive.

Cousins one good game against a bad Browns team shouldn't marginalize or underrate what RG3 has done this season.

Didn't we already have this debate between Shaun Hill and Matt Stafford??lol

RG3 and Cousins are just different levels of QB.

SolidGold · 12-31-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Sorry but the Browns aren't very good. And nothing about RG3 this season is 'hyped' above and beyond his performance on the field.

Re-watch the Giants games, or any of the teams that totally collapsed the Redskins oline early in the season with edge pressure. Cousins would have been eaten alive.

Cousins one good game against a bad Browns team shouldn't marginalize or underrate what RG3 has done this season.

Didn't we already have this debate between Shaun Hill and Matt Stafford??lol

RG3 and Cousins are just different levels of QB.

Let's compare Griffin's first game starting vs the worst defense in NFL history vs Cousins first start against the Browns. People like to gloss over these things. I agree Griffin had a very good rookie year but what Luck did with less of a supporting cast is being severely underrated.

SolidGold · 12-31-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2 Live Crew

How about Cousins is actually good and it was the Browns?

Griffin HYPE? LOL. I will pray for you

Ya hype - am I the only one who sees it? I guess so.

2 Live Crew · 12-31-2012, 02:28 PM

You can argue Luck for ROY if you want to that's fine. But to call RG3's season anything less than amazing and one of the best rookie QB season's ever is absurd.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-31-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

Let's compare Griffin's first game starting vs the worst defense in NFL history vs Cousins first start against the Browns. People like to gloss over these things. I agree Griffin had a very good rookie year but what Luck did with less of a supporting cast is being severely underrated.

How is anyone underrating Luck?
He's been the odds on favorite to win OROTY since before the season began.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/sto...edictions-2012

Trogdor · 12-31-2012, 03:21 PM

Alfred Morris was more valuable to the Redskin's success than RGIII. I hate that RGIII champions tried to diminish the fact Morris was running against stacked sets all year and STILL become the 2nd best rookie rusher ALL-TIME.

RGIII has got to be thankful he had the #1 rushing attack to lean and depend on Alfred Morris to literally carry him to victory as when RGIII was asked to win games (see: 30+ attempts) he went 1-3.

Not to mention how in the world does a QB go 9-18 for 100 yards and still have fans cheering for him to win an award? Alfred Morris freaking picked RGIII up and dragged him kicking and screaming to the finish line.

1. Luck
2. Morris
3. RGIII/Wilson
4. Martin

Hell of a year for rookies that's for sure. :)

ConnSKINS26 · 12-31-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trogdor

Alfred Morris was more valuable to the Redskin's success than RGIII. I hate that RGIII champions tried to diminish the fact Morris was running against stacked sets all year and STILL become the 2nd best rookie rusher ALL-TIME.

RGIII has got to be thankful he had the #1 rushing attack to lean and depend on Alfred Morris to literally carry him to victory as when RGIII was asked to win games (see: 30+ attempts) he went 1-3.

Not to mention how in the world does a QB go 9-18 for 100 yards and still have fans cheering for him to win an award? Alfred Morris freaking picked RGIII up and dragged him kicking and screaming to the finish line.

1. Luck
2. Morris
3. RGIII/Wilson
4. Martin

Hell of a year for rookies that's for sure. :)

It almost seems silly to clarify this, but you realize that RG3 is a huge part of what makes Morris' success possible, right?

Caulibflower · 12-31-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ConnSKINS26

It almost seems silly to clarify this, but you realize that RG3 is a huge part of what makes Morris' success possible, right?

Seeing him rush for 200 yards in the Redskins most important game of the season, against a defense that HAD to stop him, AND with RGIII not able to run as effectively really makes me wonder if Alfred Morris hasn't been just as critical to the Redskins success as RGIII. Just because he was picked in the 6th round and RGIII was the sexiest move of the draft doesn't mean he's been less important. Cousins had a great game when he had to play, too. It's a nice situation for a rookie QB, and the Redskins do a good job of playing to their player's strengths.

Having a strong inside running game makes things a hell of a lot easier for Robert, too. It's mutually beneficial.

DiG · 12-31-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Trogdor

Not to mention how in the world does a QB go 9-18 for 100 yards and still have fans cheering for him to win an award?

Because it was one out of 16 games and he played on one leg only two weeks after an injury that people said would take up to four to recover from...oh and he ran for 60 yards and a td and no turnovers...

JRTPlaya21 · 12-31-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trogdor

Alfred Morris was more valuable to the Redskin's success than RGIII. I hate that RGIII champions tried to diminish the fact Morris was running against stacked sets all year and STILL become the 2nd best rookie rusher ALL-TIME.

RGIII has got to be thankful he had the #1 rushing attack to lean and depend on Alfred Morris to literally carry him to victory as when RGIII was asked to win games (see: 30+ attempts) he went 1-3.

Not to mention how in the world does a QB go 9-18 for 100 yards and still have fans cheering for him to win an award? Alfred Morris freaking picked RGIII up and dragged him kicking and screaming to the finish line.

1. Luck
2. Morris
3. RGIII/Wilson
4. Martin

Hell of a year for rookies that's for sure. :)

Morris actually finished with the 3rd most yards behind a former Redskin in George Rogers. Either way still very studly & I couldn't be happier he is one of us.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-31-2012, 04:46 PM

There's no way Morris is more valuable than RGIII.

People act as if you lined up Morris in say, the Giants backfield and just handed the ball off to him 300+ times he would have had 1600+ yards.
(I picked the Giants because I think their Olines are similar in ability).

If you don't understand how the SKins run the zone read option or how it freezes safeties and LBs on run plays, or that RG3 has the most wicked ball fake in the NFL, you're just looking at Morris' stats blind and thinking he's doing what AD is in Minny.

Morris is a tough, hard nosed runner who doesn't go down on first contact with good vision for finding cutback lanes, but it's Griffin's run threat that's added IMO 300-400 rushing yards to his totals.

I wish everyone could hear all the press conferences after Skins games and listen to how often Shanny says how Robert's mobility opens up so many running lanes in this hybrid ZBS.

Almo has been irreplaceable to this SKins this season, but he's not more valuable to this offense than RG3.
LOL now Grif has suddenly morphed into Christian Ponder.

Morris wasn't running against stacked fronts all season long. He was running against LBs and safeties whose feet were stuck in quicksand at the snap. You rarely saw LBs crashing the LOS on run plays because they couldn't.

njx9 · 12-31-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

People act as if you lined up Morris in say, the Giants backfield and just handed the ball off to him 300+ times he would have had 1600+ yards.
(I picked the Giants because I think their Olines are similar in ability).

i don't really disagree with your main point, but i think this is disingenuous. shanahan running backs typically *can't* just plug into anyone else's rushing attack with the same effectiveness, because he drafts players who fit his system well. i'm sure, as a redskins fan, you vividly remember how different portis was for you than he was in denver, and that's not even going to guys like olandis gary who were basically out of the nfl after leaving shanahan's offense. i'd bet that alfred morris was a 1000+ yard back with cousins OR rg3 starting this year, in that system. whether he was a 1600 yard back is certainly up for debate (or could be).

J-Mike88 · 12-31-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

1. RGIII
2. Russel Wilson
3. Andrew Luck

I do think Luck will have the best career though.

THIS all the way around.

gpngc · 12-31-2012, 05:46 PM

My final vote:

1) RGIII
2) Russell Wilson
3) Andrew Luck
4) Glen Coffee
5) Alfred Morris

TACKLE · 12-31-2012, 05:50 PM

Wasn't sure where to post this but apparently Trent Richardson played 9 games this year with broken ribs. Damn.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/87...es-broken-ribs

jsagan77 · 12-31-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

No - it hurts your chance when you have a stud RB that carried the team to the playoffs last night.

One game >>>> every other game RG3 has carried this team. Got it.

jsagan77 · 12-31-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold

Let's compare Griffin's first game starting vs the worst defense in NFL history vs Cousins first start against the Browns. People like to gloss over these things. I agree Griffin had a very good rookie year but what Luck did with less of a supporting cast is being severely underrated.

Yes let's use that awesome sample size to make any sort of rational decision about anything.

Same goes for RG3's worst game happening to be Almo's best. Yep he's much more valuable than Griff.

Christ almighty.

vidae · 12-31-2012, 07:23 PM

RG3 sucks. Luck is the ROTY. Hands down.

jsagan77 · 12-31-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i don't really disagree with your main point, but i think this is disingenuous. shanahan running backs typically *can't* just plug into anyone else's rushing attack with the same effectiveness, because he drafts players who fit his system well. i'm sure, as a redskins fan, you vividly remember how different portis was for you than he was in denver, and that's not even going to guys like olandis gary who were basically out of the nfl after leaving shanahan's offense. i'd bet that alfred morris was a 1000+ yard back with cousins OR rg3 starting this year, in that system. whether he was a 1600 yard back is certainly up for debate (or could be).

I think you guys are agreeing to a point.

Timbathia · 01-01-2013, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jsagan77

One game >>>> every other game RG3 has carried this team. Got it.

Except the two games that cousins won.