Poll: Rookie of the Year (week 16)

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by killxswitch

This is a ban-worthy argument. But then this is typical of RG3 nuthuggers in this thread. Use stats when it's convenient and then criticize their use when it hurts your agenda. Hold context and "actually watching the games" when it props up RG3, but demand objective stats and ignore context when it helps Luck. Use terrible arguments, then ignore it when people call you out on it. I don't know why anyone with an ounce of rational thought is even bothering to respond to you trolls anymore.

Torain has NEVER BEEN HEALTHY for 16 games. Ever. So anyone 'projecting' his numbers over 16 games isn't thinking this through properly.

Roy Helu has NEVER BEEN HEALTHY for 16 games as a SKin.
You can't project numbers. You take actual production on the field.

Torain ran for almost 750 yards in 10 games in 2010. THat's the guy's ceiling because he can't stay healthy. He ran for over 100 yards exactly THREE TIMES.

Roy Helu ran for 640 yards in 14 games in 2011. He ran for over 100 yards THREE TIMES.

None of these guys production on the field is representative of what Alfred Morris or RG3 have done rushing in 2012, and to suggest Helu/Torain somehow are indicative of SHanahan's ability to pull 1200 yard rushers out of a hat blindfolded is just...dumb.

Let me get this right, because Torain and Helu had a couple of decent games under SHanny, that somehow is predictive of Alfred Morris already rushing for 1300 yards in 14 games and the Skins having the best rushing attack in the NFL??lol

You get banned for arguing the truth around here???

I did not know that.

[jsagan77]

And if you want to get technical, the Saints
had a winning record cause everyone pencilled that one in ready.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Yeah mistakes are lies, I forgot Minny had gone on a tear and the Bucs had a winning record when the skins played them so go ahead and retract your previous statement.

your refusal to correct them made them lies. and tampa did NOT have a winning record when they played washington, they were 1-2, having only won against carolina and having lost to dallas (16-10) and the giants (41-34).

so anything else you want to be wrong about?

[jsagan77]

Funny how 75 ypg is awesome when it comes to the skins rb's.. And in all honesty, Vick Ballard, when given the opportunity has been quite good. If they just gave him the ball as much as we gave Morris he'd have very similar stats. He's obviously superior to Brown and his ball security has been nothing short of impressive. I have a feeling he'll be their primary back going forward and will have some fine seasons for them.

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Torain has NEVER BEEN HEALTHY for 16 games. Ever. So anyone 'projecting' his numbers over 16 games isn't thinking this through properly.

Roy Helu has NEVER BEEN HEALTHY for 16 games as a SKin.
You can't project numbers. You take actual production on the field.

Torain ran for almost 750 yards in 10 games in 2010. THat's the guy's ceiling because he can't stay healthy. He ran for over 100 yards exactly THREE TIMES.

Roy Helu ran for 640 yards in 14 games in 2011. He ran for over 100 yards THREE TIMES.

None of these guys production on the field is representative of what Alfred Morris or RG3 have done rushing in 2012, and to suggest Helu/Torain somehow are indicative of SHanahan's ability to pull 1200 yard rushers out of a hat blindfolded is just...dumb.

Let me get this right, because Torain and Helu had a couple of decent games under SHanny, that somehow is predictive of Alfred Morris already rushing for 1300 yards in 14 games and the Skins having the best rushing attack in the NFL??lol

You get banned for arguing the truth around here???

I did not know that.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by njx9

your refusal to correct them made them lies. and tampa did NOT have a winning record when they played washington, they were 1-2, having only won against carolina and having lost to dallas (16-10) and the giants (41-34).

so anything else you want to be wrong about?

Nope I stand corrected. At what point were they at a winning record?

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Funny how 75 ypg is awesome when it comes to the skins rb's.. And in all honesty, Vick Ballard, when given the opportunity has been quite good. If they just gave him the ball as much as we gave Morris he'd have very similar stats. He's obviously superior to Brown and his ball security has been nothing short of impressive. I have a feeling he'll be their primary back going forward and will have some fine seasons for them.

Way to skew some stats there, 75 ypg sure, how about 4.5 yards per carry for Torain in 2010, a whopping 0.2 less than Morris this year

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by njx9

your refusal to correct them made them lies. and tampa did NOT have a winning record when they played washington, they were 1-2, having only won against carolina and having lost to dallas (16-10) and the giants (41-34).

so anything else you want to be wrong about?

Can you just close this thread so i can stop smacking my head against the wall.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Way to skew some stats there, 75 ypg sure, how about 4.5 yards per carry for Torain in 2010, a whopping 0.2 less than Morris this year

Those are:
[ ] skewed stats
[x] simple math


Here's one for you though, when Ballard has been the primary ball carrier (15 attempts + per game) he has averaged 4.64 yards per carry while Morris has the SAME EXACT ypc given the same criteria.


It's not that the Colts don't have a run game, it's that they don't utilize it properly. Maybe the thing that truly seperates Luck and RG3 is coaching?

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by Babylon

Can you just close this thread so i can stop smacking my head against the wall.

What are you like 12? Just ignore it if you don't like it.

[xjxdarren]

I'm assuming all the Luck supporters haven't seen Bob Griffin's explosive, heroic, gravity-defying, and jaw-dropping display in last week's win over the Cleveland Browns, one in which he launched one of the most beautifully thrown balls all quarterbacks have ever thrown, squeezing it past triple coverage and right into the hands of the overrated and butter-fingered scrub receiver named Leoanard Hankerson. Truly one of the best rookie QB perfomances of all time.

Who said Alfred Morris could ever run the ball without BG3?! Blasphemy!

All hail the black Jesus. Even his hair beats Brad Pitt's.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by xjxdarren

I'm assuming all the Luck supporters haven't seen Bob Griffin's explosive, heroic, gravity-defying, and jaw-dropping display in last week's win over the Cleveland Browns, one in which he launched one of the most beautifully thrown balls all quarterbacks have ever thrown, squeezing it past triple coverage and right into the hands of the overrated and butter-fingered scrub receiver named Leoanard Hankerson. Truly one of the best rookie QB perfomances of all time.

Who said Alfred Morris could ever run the ball without BG3?! Blasphemy!

All hail the black Jesus. Even his hair beats Brad Pitt's.

You joke but Griff outplayed Luck last week. So did Cousins for that matter. But all hail poor Luck. He has it so rough, boo hoo.

[Raiderz4Life]

omg, I can not believe what I have been reading. Can this and the other ORTY thread make the HoF?

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by xjxdarren

I'm assuming all the Luck supporters haven't seen Bob Griffin's explosive, heroic, gravity-defying ....
All hail the black Jesus. Even his hair beats Brad Pitt's.

Sounds racist or jealous.... what stats of Andy Luck are better than Griffin anyway, other than pure yardage?
Simple question.
See if a Luck-Lover can answer it, or come up with some deflect & dismiss.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

You joke but Griff outplayed Luck last week. So did Cousins for that matter. But all hail poor Luck. He has it so rough, boo hoo.

You're good when you can outplay someone while standing on the sideline.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by Babylon

You're good when you can outplay someone while standing on the sideline.

Now you're getting it.

Luck was awful against the Texans. I know one of his int's was a fail mary but he had 3 more dropped. His two games against the elite of the AFC were down right atrocious which makes me believe even more that he's gotten away with quite a few games because of how easy his schedule was. Even against crappy teams he couldn't put together many complete games. While Griffin hasn't had a multiple int game all season and only failed to score two times all year and one of those games he got knocked out of. That's not only impressive for a rookie, it's an amazing feat for any QB at this level.

[vikes_28]

I voted for Luck. But also, this...

[jsagan77]

Who had the better season this year, Big Ben or Tony Romo?

[G Mobile]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Who had the better season this year, Big Ben or Tony Romo?

RG3?


tenchar

[jsagan77]

I had a good talk with Barry Wilner (guy who runs the awards program) and here's a bit of a recap:

Coach of the year has a good chance of being an interim (Apparently the worst OC of all time is doing okay as a HC)

Best offensive rookie class he's covered

OROTY will go down to the wire and most years Morris and Martin would be shoe ins ( obv )

The awards this year are the toughest to gauge since he's been running it because so many guys deserve the awards.

Voting is left open to the interpretation of the voters. There is no framework or set criteria.

Pretty interesting chat.

[jsagan77]

So RG3 today threw for 198 yds 2 TD's and 1 int on a routine ball perfectly thrown to Josh Morgan who can't fcking catch. And a fumble that was a backwards pass that hit the ground (like most of his fumbles this year).

And Luck again threw for less than 50% comp percentage against KC and is lucky to be winning. But he'll get another "4th quarter come back victory" if they hold off. Great context for these rookies!

RG3 is beasting on one leg and played a pretty much perfect game despite quite few drops and a pass right into the numbers for a tipped INT.

[xjxdarren]

You're so convincing man, even your swearing is earth-shattering. Why so mad your boyfriend dumped you today? Go back to the topic, yeah BG3 should definitely win because he owns the rookie total yardage record, 4th qtr win record, most 300-yd games record, and most wins by a #1 pick.

[scottyboy]

How is under 200 yards and a pick a near perfect game? Russ deserves it

#RUSSELWILSONEVERYTHING

[FUNBUNCHER]

I think for many voters winning 10+ games and breaking the passing yardage rookie record will be enough for most voters to give it to Luck.

Most casual fans aren't going to give much weight unfortunately to Luck's below 55% completion percentage or INTs.

[xjxdarren]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

I think for many voters winning 10+ games and breaking the passing yardage rookie record will be enough for most voters to give it to Luck.

Most casual fans aren't going to give much weight unfortunately to Luck's below 55% completion percentage or INTs.

Your argument has entirely flipped the truth. Casual fans like you are giving it to BG3 based on glamours and fireworks.

If BG3 is Avatar, then Luck is The Hurt Locker.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by xjxdarren

Your argument has entirely flipped the truth. Casual fans like you are giving it to BG3 based on glamours and fireworks.

If BG3 is Avatar, then Luck is The Hurt Locker.

Re-read your post. Your dots aren't connecting.
Every argument I've made about RGIII has been primarily statistically based, not 'glamours-(the **** is that? ) and fireworks'.

And I don't count guys on SWDC as casual football fans.

If I'm a casual disinterested fan, what the hell is a real NFL fan??

You ask someone who doesn't follow either the Colts or the Skins and all they know about Luck are his team wins and breaking the rookie passing yardage record. His turnovers or completion percentage don't chart for most people.